Ngo... Wtf. That isn't a last name. Give this guy some vowels.

"Calling the freedom in the US absolute is nothing but absolutely laughable"

good thing that this was not said, but of course some people can't deal in nuance, all they have is absolutes, so the minute someone disagrees with them they have to jump from one absolute to another

the most ironic part of this is that its usually people who claim to b trying to "break down binaries" lol

"How can they have freedom of speech when it infringes on people's freedom to not be killed by right wing maniacs? "

can you give an example of andy ngo or any of the other people in the video expressing incitement for violence?

"I have yet to hear from an antifa extremist to commit mass murder in a nazi concert, or any concert for that matter. Yet mass murder committed by the right seems to flourish."

a sensible way to view the world of course, all of the bad people are in that group over yonder that I disagree with, if we could just deal with them somehow the world would be perfect because my people are good and just

never mind that antifa have communist ideology at their core, an ideology that is responsible for the deaths of millions upon millions of people in the 20th century

"I won't stand for equating deliberately inciting violence against oneself with the mass murder of innocents. And yes, I will always prefer an asshole who wants to be beaten up being beaten up by the people who he wants to be beaten up by over innocents being mowed down indiscriminately."

what does any of this even mean?

"His intent was to be hurt"

evidence?

"it's not as absolute in the US as you might think"

I didn't say anything about anything being absolute

all I said is that there are protections in the constitution unlike many of these other countries where girls get arrested for singing rap lyrics for example

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-43816921

"Yeah, no. Just listen closely to the video. They were planning about their weapons, equipment, their numbers, their positioning, if they are well placed to throw their tear gas grenades (the discussion about the wind direction and making sure it wouldn't backfire)... there's more than enough evidence that they were planning to beat antifa (or other such protesters) up."

yes they were talking about methods of defending themselves when antifa invariably attacked them

In the video they clearly talk about walking near antifa and anticipating an attack from antifa

"Also, he's hanging out with right-wing protesters"

stop the presses, how could he

what do you think should be done about right wing protestors?

" looking for a fight with left-wing protesters. Of course at some point he would become a target"

how could she have walked down the alley wearing that so late at night, what was she thinking?

"But he only reported on what the Antifa did to him and left the whole rest out. "

the rest which entailed them talking about defending themselves?

"That's the same as if in 1941 journalists would have said that the USA are attacking Japan, and conspicuously leaving out that Japan attacked them first at Pearl Harbour to paint the US as the aggressor."

ok at this point i'm going to ask you to specifically point out where they frame their conversation as anything other than a response to antifa attacking them

if you can't point it out, ill just conclude that you're a waste of time and be done with you

i'll argue about anything but there comes a point where denial of reality right in front of my face becomes too great

In which case I would point you to the government which is currently right leaning nationally and locally on a grand scale. If being 50% to the far right but having more influence is the important part than I think conservatives having control over the executive, judicial and half the legislative branches is more meaningful than professors being liberal. 

To be fair this only relates to US politics but given the protests we're talking about were in Seattle that seems reasonable. 

So at the end of the day, Mr Ngo was exactly what I thought he was. As I stated in that other thread, Mr Ngo walked into the mass of Antifa protesters looking for that beating and of course since things had escalated before that event, they gave him exactly what he wanted, desired and was ready to film. As I stated also it appeared Mr. Ngo was looking to take that beating for the team and here we are seeing that is exactly what happen. I give Mr. Ngo props, he baited Antifa and got what he wanted which resulted in his world tour on all the networks and media sites. He gave Antifa even more negative media attention which then allow other groups to bait them into open violence for even more negative press. He executed his plan well and really only received minor injuries for his cause. Oh well, I wonder what his next gig will be.

Ah. Mocking a Vietnamese name. Very creative.

And under Obama, the government was just as liberal (actually, I would argue even more so) as it is conservative now. I don't recall all of the complaints about it in the media during Obama's presidency. I don't recall the majority of mainstream media constantly running hit pieces on Obama. I don't recall Google and other big tech giants of skewing the flow of information online during Obama's presidency either. The point that I'm making is that there is a clear double standard that exists, not only in the United States (although it is most prevalent there arguably), but it almost all Western nations. The liberal professor problem is also not exclusive to the United States either. That ideology has infiltrated almost all Western academia.

The far left is just as dangerous as the far right. Perhaps, even more so, due to it's insidious nature. The common misconception is that there is no extreme left, which is extraordinarily dangerous in of itself.

No, the government was not liberal under Obama since both the House and Senate was under GOP control.

As long as you continue to believe one side is more insidious then another, then you have already lost.  You have given in to the game and is only seeing what one side or the other wants you to see.  Both sides manipulate data and information for their own gain.  The crazy thing is, I highly doubt most people even understand the difference between conservative and liberal agendas any more, especially in America.

"he baited Antifa and got what he wanted which resulted in his world tour on all the networks and media sites. He gave Antifa even more negative media attention which then allow other groups to bait them into open violence for even more negative press. "

and yet there's hardly any negative press for antifa

I wonder why?

I'd throw organized religion into that mix. Organized religion has been pushing right wing politics from the pulpits for decades. Organized religion doesn't have a great deal of bearing on life in Seattle or Vermont, but religious organizations are incredibly powerful in the South and Midwest.