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and the X1 drops to below 50k globally per week, means the Switch gets to eat 1/8th of a million out of that X1 lead over the Nintendo beast in a week, with all the games coming to the Switch between now and Christmas this holiday season is going to be a massacre for the Switch unless something major happens from either of the other 2 camps before then, heck.... the main upset I could see coming to the table between now and Xmas would be a Switch-Lite and the subsequent reduction in price that the base model might see from that. Between Mario Maker 2, Luigi's Mansion 3 and the upcoming Pokemon Sword and Shield (just occurred to me this is the first time I think that Pokemon games have the same initial.... as in Blue/Red, G/S, R/S, D/P, B/W, S/M... and it's gonna be Pokemon S/S, it's a good thing those initials have no bad links to them!) then Nintendo is going to have a very jolly Christmas indeed. Unless all of their upcoming titles bomb!, who knows it has happened before like on the Wii-U where a bunch of titles like star fox zero ended up in the yellow on metacritic and helped to tank that system.



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Ganoncrotch said:
and the X1 drops to below 50k globally per week, means the Switch gets to eat 1/8th of a million out of that X1 lead over the Nintendo beast in a week, with all the games coming to the Switch between now and Christmas this holiday season is going to be a massacre for the Switch unless something major happens from either of the other 2 camps before then, heck.... the main upset I could see coming to the table between now and Xmas would be a Switch-Lite and the subsequent reduction in price that the base model might see from that. Between Mario Maker 2, Luigi's Mansion 3 and the upcoming Pokemon Sword and Shield (just occurred to me this is the first time I think that Pokemon games have the same initial.... as in Blue/Red, G/S, R/S, D/P, B/W, S/M... and it's gonna be Pokemon S/S, it's a good thing those initials have no bad links to them!) then Nintendo is going to have a very jolly Christmas indeed. Unless all of their upcoming titles bomb!, who knows it has happened before like on the Wii-U where a bunch of titles like star fox zero ended up in the yellow on metacritic and helped to tank that system.

I hardly think there's much of a chance the likes of Mario Maker 2 or Luigi's Mansion 3 will bomb. Those games aren't comparable with Starfox Zero which was a low budget experimental title built around a gimmick already proven to be unwanted. Besides which, Wii U was already doomed long before the likes of Starfox Zero showed up.



Whoa @ that Xbox adjust down. Was the first week at sub 50k and almost jumped to being a sub 40k week.

Being outsold nearly 3:1 by the switch in the USA can clearly see why Nintendo are looking to manufacture some switch units outside of China to avoid the tariff but still crazy to see the X1 lose another 8k off already really bad numbers.

@curl-6 I know they're very likely to do just fine, I just meant it would take that happening to mess up the end of the year for the switch, I agree btw with Starfox on wiiu was so bad to ignore fan feedback telling them not to make that game but I think stuff like that and federation force were learning experiences for Nintendo and they genuinely seem to have learned this Gen.



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Ganoncrotch said:
Whoa @ that Xbox adjust down. Was the first week at sub 50k and almost jumped to being a sub 40k week.

Being outsold nearly 3:1 by the switch in the USA can clearly see why Nintendo are looking to manufacture some switch units outside of China to avoid the tariff but still crazy to see the X1 lose another 8k off already really bad numbers.

@curl-6 I know they're very likely to do just fine, I just meant it would take that happening to mess up the end of the year for the switch, I agree btw with Starfox on wiiu was so bad to ignore fan feedback telling them not to make that game but I think stuff like that and federation force were learning experiences for Nintendo and they genuinely seem to have learned this Gen.

Bloody hell, those are some shockingly bad numbers for the Xbone after adjustments. Globally, Switch is outselling by more than 4.5:1, and that's without any big new games in ages.

And yeah, if nothing else the Wii U generation was the kick in the arse Nintendo needed to stop living in lala land and start listening to consumers again.

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40K eh? Those are some rough numbers, and there's nothing to rescue the XBO from the sales gutter it's getting awfully close to laying face-down in. Seeing how far it falls is the most interesting angle going right now. Just like in sports, I can enjoy a good blowout.



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curl-6 said:
Ganoncrotch said:
Whoa @ that Xbox adjust down. Was the first week at sub 50k and almost jumped to being a sub 40k week.

Being outsold nearly 3:1 by the switch in the USA can clearly see why Nintendo are looking to manufacture some switch units outside of China to avoid the tariff but still crazy to see the X1 lose another 8k off already really bad numbers.

@curl-6 I know they're very likely to do just fine, I just meant it would take that happening to mess up the end of the year for the switch, I agree btw with Starfox on wiiu was so bad to ignore fan feedback telling them not to make that game but I think stuff like that and federation force were learning experiences for Nintendo and they genuinely seem to have learned this Gen.

Bloody hell, those are some shockingly bad numbers for the Xbone after adjustments. Globally, Switch is outselling by more than 4.5:1, and that's without any big new games in ages.

And yeah, if nothing else the Wii U generation was the kick in the arse Nintendo needed to stop living in lala land and start listening to consumers again.

Sometimes though a kick up the arse can help a company see that it fucked up and they try and fix that fast, with the launch PS3 Sony were told fairly straightforward that people weren't paying that price for the system which at the time also historically "had no gaemz" The WiiU for Nintendo was a case of the gimmick getting in the way of the games to the point where games suffered badly for little to no consumer gain and this E3 Microsoft were out talking about Scarlett as the console built for games, no BS about TV streaming or w/e because while a system like that should have those abilities caked into it, they should never be the focus for a console, focus should always be 1st Games 2nd Gimmick 3rd Priced accordingly otherwise people will kick up about it.



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That poor XB1 so sad smh.......PS4 still holding but if only Japan was a little better and Switch is cool as well everything just slow per usual for this time of year.



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Is it sure now that Xbox one won't outsell Snes?
:(
Also, it seems that ps4 will have legs after being succeeded only in Europe, unless a price drop can alter that trajectory.
We're near to see if and how much home console Market excluding Nintendo shrunk in 8th gen, at most 10m? ( xbox360+ps3 174m)
Insignificant change in my opinion.



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40K eh? Those are some rough numbers, and there's nothing to rescue the XBO from the sales gutter it's getting awfully close to laying face-down in. Seeing how far it falls is the most interesting angle going right now. Just like in sports, I can enjoy a good blowout.

Microsoft would have been better off by skipping the Xbox One X and launching a successor this year or even late last year. While the graphical prowess would have been limited due to cross-gen, a console that is next gen draws a lot more attention than a mid-gen upgrade. The PS5 would then have been more powerful without a doubt due to launching later, but that's something Microsoft could have countered with a mid-gen upgrade for their Xbox 4 in 2022 to have the marketing message on their side again and by the time Sony brought their mid-gen upgrade, the difference wouldn't be as important anymore as it was at the beginning.

What Microsoft actually did was drag out a generation that they had clearly lost, so now their console business is in a very rough time for a couple of years. I suppose they bought into their own PR of "XB1 is outpacing 360 launch-aligned", so they turned a blind eye to proper sales analyses which would have revealed that the XB1 has 0 chance to keep up with the 360 in the long run.

Microsoft was smarter in the fast transition from the original Xbox to the 360 where the headstart clearly paid off. Of course the lesson to learn from the 360 is proper engineering of the console because it creates a bad reputation when the failure rate is so high, but the general idea of a headstart is sound despite not being a surefire ticket to increased success.



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Ganoncrotch said:
curl-6 said:

Bloody hell, those are some shockingly bad numbers for the Xbone after adjustments. Globally, Switch is outselling by more than 4.5:1, and that's without any big new games in ages.

And yeah, if nothing else the Wii U generation was the kick in the arse Nintendo needed to stop living in lala land and start listening to consumers again.

Sometimes though a kick up the arse can help a company see that it fucked up and they try and fix that fast, with the launch PS3 Sony were told fairly straightforward that people weren't paying that price for the system which at the time also historically "had no gaemz" The WiiU for Nintendo was a case of the gimmick getting in the way of the games to the point where games suffered badly for little to no consumer gain and this E3 Microsoft were out talking about Scarlett as the console built for games, no BS about TV streaming or w/e because while a system like that should have those abilities caked into it, they should never be the focus for a console, focus should always be 1st Games 2nd Gimmick 3rd Priced accordingly otherwise people will kick up about it.

Yeah a nice failure now and then is good for companies, it helps them rectify their mistakes and stops them getting too arrogant and anti-consumer.

Hopefully, for their sake, MS don't do something stupid like calling the Scarlett the "Xbox One Omega" or some shit. The Xbone name has become associated with inferiority and failure.