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And so it should. - Probably a very strong hint that the Playstation 4 software library will translate very smoothly over to the Playstation 5 from a compatibility point of view.



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BraLoD said:
How about announcing some LoD Remake now?

If they do, they'll claim to make the game you deserve, sell it to you as 4 parts and change the gameplay and say it's the same game. You'll then get told condescendingly by other people to "play the original" if you don't like a certain change.



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The Fury said:
BraLoD said:
How about announcing some LoD Remake now?

If they do, they'll claim to make the game you deserve, sell it to you as 4 parts and change the gameplay and say it's the same game. You'll then get told condescendingly by other people to "play the original" if you don't like a certain change.

I can feel your FFVIIR pain from here.

Now, people don't need to tell me to play the original, I'll never stop anyway



thismeintiel said:
Neodegenerate said:

Price point would be the only reason now

You can never underestimate the power of a low price point. It helped PS2 sell over 155M units. My guess is the PS4 will be $199 by the time PS5 launches. Maybe even $179. And the Pro will be $299. The PS5 is probably going to be $150-$200 more than that. Budget shoppers will buy the PS4 or Pro, since they both will be supported for another 2-3 years after the PS5 launches.

This makes be believe the PS4 SS rumors even more so. There is little reason to mess with Pro as is for the next 3 years, if even continue selling it. I would think PS should be able to sell Pro at $299 as is and break even by now, but they likely need to get PS4 on 7nm and shrink it to get it down to $199 and have the hardware be somewhat profitable. So shrink PS4 this holiday and worry about a 7nm Pro later, if it's even necessary, since the $299-$399 market is already saturated, and especially if PS4 is just as compatible with the PS5 as Pro is. A super casual or poorer person simply won't care or be able to afford a Pro, since they couldn't afford PS4 before, so there would be little need to reduce the Pro price, if continue selling it period.

Unless they were to drop PS4 and shrink Pro to 7nm and offer a slim model for $249, which is possible but much less likely.

Worst case scenario, they could have future cross gen games set up so that if they play at 60fps to make sure that PS5 is able to use a worthy amount of it's potential, have Pro run at 1080p/60 and PS4 at 720p/60. This would also be a way to keep selling Pro at a reduced price, enticing existing PS4 owners to upgrade to Pro, if they didn't have the money for PS5, so they could at least remain playing at 1080p/60.



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EricHiggin said:
thismeintiel said:

You can never underestimate the power of a low price point. It helped PS2 sell over 155M units. My guess is the PS4 will be $199 by the time PS5 launches. Maybe even $179. And the Pro will be $299. The PS5 is probably going to be $150-$200 more than that. Budget shoppers will buy the PS4 or Pro, since they both will be supported for another 2-3 years after the PS5 launches.

This makes be believe the PS4 SS rumors even more so. There is little reason to mess with Pro as is for the next 3 years, if even continue selling it. I would think PS should be able to sell Pro at $299 as is and break even by now, but they likely need to get PS4 on 7nm and shrink it to get it down to $199 and have the hardware be somewhat profitable. So shrink PS4 this holiday and worry about a 7nm Pro later, if it's even necessary, since the $299-$399 market is already saturated, and especially if PS4 is just as compatible with the PS5 as Pro is. A super casual or poorer person simply won't care or be able to afford a Pro, since they couldn't afford PS4 before, so there would be little need to reduce the Pro price, if continue selling it period.

Unless they were to drop PS4 and shrink Pro to 7nm and offer a slim model for $249, which is possible but much less likely.

Worst case scenario, they could have future cross gen games set up so that if they play at 60fps to make sure that PS5 is able to use a worthy amount of it's potential, have Pro run at 1080p/60 and PS4 at 720p/60. This would also be a way to keep selling Pro at a reduced price, enticing existing PS4 owners to upgrade to Pro, if they didn't have the money for PS5, so they could at least remain playing at 1080p/60.

I see them shrinking both.  I figured they would want to do the Pro first, but considering the OG model is making up 75% of their sales, they may want to get the price down as low as possible to bolster the dropping sales.  My guess is a $249 price this year, but they will definitely drop to $199 for the PS5 launch.  And we may see a further drop to $149-$179 before it's discontinued in 2022/2023.  The Pro will probably drop to $349 without a revision, but my guess is they also want to get the price lower on it, so it will get one the following year. 

They could have a $199 PS4 system for budget gamers, a $299 Pro for those who want a little more power under the hood, and the premium $449-$499 PS5 for those who want next gen graphics.  All 3 will get cross-gen support for at least a year or two, so there really isn't a need for them to have a weaker next gen system to compete with the Lockhart.  And by the time the PS4 is discontinued, PS5 will see its first price cut, probably dropping to the $399 sweet spot.



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They are trying to convince the industry that they are going to use the existing PS4 base to it's fullest so that everyone stays committed to Sony, but yes this will play out like a slow conversion of the existing playerbase rather than an expansion most likely.



This.... Is actually somewhat of a smart move, especially considering Japan.
With the switch out I don't think they have a good shot at maintaining install base if the ps5 was a traditional next gen. But with this Japanese developers would be happy to keep selling on the existing PS4 install base.
Of course, this is a double edged sword, meaning that most JP devs would stay developing at PS4 slim power levels. And at that point, just a bit of optimization and you can make a switch port to sell on it's bigger install base.



The Fury said:
BraLoD said:
How about announcing some LoD Remake now?

If they do, they'll claim to make the game you deserve, sell it to you as 4 parts and change the gameplay and say it's the same game. You'll then get told condescendingly by other people to "play the original" if you don't like a certain change.

Fixed camera angles and tank controls are a thing of the past. Get over it...



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thismeintiel said:
EricHiggin said:

This makes be believe the PS4 SS rumors even more so. There is little reason to mess with Pro as is for the next 3 years, if even continue selling it. I would think PS should be able to sell Pro at $299 as is and break even by now, but they likely need to get PS4 on 7nm and shrink it to get it down to $199 and have the hardware be somewhat profitable. So shrink PS4 this holiday and worry about a 7nm Pro later, if it's even necessary, since the $299-$399 market is already saturated, and especially if PS4 is just as compatible with the PS5 as Pro is. A super casual or poorer person simply won't care or be able to afford a Pro, since they couldn't afford PS4 before, so there would be little need to reduce the Pro price, if continue selling it period.

Unless they were to drop PS4 and shrink Pro to 7nm and offer a slim model for $249, which is possible but much less likely.

Worst case scenario, they could have future cross gen games set up so that if they play at 60fps to make sure that PS5 is able to use a worthy amount of it's potential, have Pro run at 1080p/60 and PS4 at 720p/60. This would also be a way to keep selling Pro at a reduced price, enticing existing PS4 owners to upgrade to Pro, if they didn't have the money for PS5, so they could at least remain playing at 1080p/60.

I see them shrinking both.  I figured they would want to do the Pro first, but considering the OG model is making up 75% of their sales, they may want to get the price down as low as possible to bolster the dropping sales.  My guess is a $249 price this year, but they will definitely drop to $199 for the PS5 launch.  And we may see a further drop to $149-$179 before it's discontinued in 2022/2023.  The Pro will probably drop to $349 without a revision, but my guess is they also want to get the price lower on it, so it will get one the following year. 

They could have a $199 PS4 system for budget gamers, a $299 Pro for those who want a little more power under the hood, and the premium $449-$499 PS5 for those who want next gen graphics.  All 3 will get cross-gen support for at least a year or two, so there really isn't a need for them to have a weaker next gen system to compete with the Lockhart.  And by the time the PS4 is discontinued, PS5 will see its first price cut, probably dropping to the $399 sweet spot.

The rumors for Lockhart tend to be a $299-$349 launch price. Officially pricing Pro at $349 by then could work, depending on the Lockhart specs, as long as they are similar on paper. That way you would have a $199 PS4, $349 Pro, and $499 PS5. All consoles being separated by $150 gap. Depending on Lockhart, they may want Pro down to $299 and profitable, which could be a 7nm slim model for E3 2020, out before the PS5 during the holidays. This may help to stay below the Lockhart launch price, and would also make PS5 look like more of a leap with a $200 price gap. Then again, PS could just go with another 2.3X increase and land just below 10TF, possibly hitting $399 for PS5, making an even $100 between all consoles. This should allow PS to hold those prices for the next 2-3 years without changing the hardware at all.

With the mention that PS doesn't seem to feel the transition to PS5 will be as fast as PS4, do we take that as meaning the PS5 will be $499 and so the price won't be that attractive, or possibly that the hardware jump (in TF) won't be as substantial as some may hope or want, and so they won't feel the need to upgrade from Pro for slightly better res and faster load times? If only 1 in 5 PS4's sold is a Pro, PS may assume a $399 PS5, considering it will be seen as another upgrade and not a new gen since it'll be heavily tied to the PS4 ecosystem, may not see the same kind of sales PS4 did. Not to mention years of cross gen games. Maybe PS5 exclusives won't be ready for a couple years after it's launch, also leading to slower sales at launch?

There is also Lockhart at 4TF to really take into account. If MS really ditches XB1X at 6TF, and launches Lockhart at 4TF instead, what does that say to PS about launching a $500 power crown console that get's dropped just 2-3 years later? It would solidify that Pro at 4.2TF was the better choice, which launched at $399, so maybe PS will stick to their $399 premium labelled console. Focus on CPU, built in VR, SSD loading speeds, and if that means a 9TF GPU then so be it. You will get some PS4 and Pro owners to upgrade, but as long as they are still buying the cross gen games, who really cares, as long as they aren't leaving for XB.



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Zoombael said:

Fixed camera angles and tank controls are a thing of the past. Get over it...

Tank controls? You're playing some weird FF games, my friend. 



Hmm, pie.