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m0ney said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:

I talk to them as a collective of minds. They are just names on a screen. I try not to react with comments I do not agree with and I avoid arguments. 

No related experience makes a college degree useless. It is just a  piece of paper and there are thousands of graduates competing for the limited available jobs. There are going to be many graduates that miss out on graduate positions. i never bothered with further study like Masters or Ph.D. or another degree because it only leads to more debt, time wasted and does not improve employability. Work experience in related field improves job prospects. I have no relevant  experience, just theoretical course work.

There are 100,000 jobs available and there are 600,000 unemployed competing for these positions

There is going to be 500,000 people still unemployed if only unemployed people obtain those jobs but they face competition from graduates, new unemployed and people switching jobs so the unemployed number is unlikely to change on a monthly basis.

Many people do not understand economics or how the system works so it is easy to ignore the problem, because people on here make it sound like everyone can get a job because they have a job. Some people gave more disadvantages than others and do not have the same opportunities in life. There are always going to be winners and losers in life.

I completely agree. This thread turned into success stories fest and makes it look like everything is great (almost) all the time. No it isn't. Life sucks for most people. Even the people with the good jobs usually still hate going to them. Life is hard. Some people don't see point in life and I can understand them, sometimes I feel that way too. If you live in places like Eastern Europe where I live, there is at least 85% chance your life will suck ass, you will be poor and miserable.

Yeah, it's sad that most answers where just like "if you want to work, you find plenty of work"

Like I said before, I was ling-term unemployed twice, but the reasons are unrelated to the ones in the OP. However I can relate to that also because of two friends of mine. One studied German language at the university and then had a very hard time to find a job for over a year. Had the employment office not sent her to work in an office at a special school, she probably wouldn't have found work anytime soon. She was just too qualified for most jobs (for those who don't know, employers  take these diplomas into account when hiring; as a result a highly educated person gets to be paid more than a person without diplomas, even for the same jobs - hence why people can be over-educated in the first place) and stumbled for a year and half before she got placed there.

The other one had rich parents, so she was pretty safe for a while, but both her diploma (french language) and her demeanor and looks (hot-tempered punk) where certainly off-putting for most early employer meetings. She mellowed down over time, though, after a couple months she didn't look like a punk at all anymore. And then finally got an opportunity as an elementary school teacher. But she was looking for over 4 years before she could find that one with her diploma.

Sadly, only a few countries have such extensive safety nets as Luxembourg does. Without it, I don't think I would be able to write you here now, as I don't think either of us would have gotten the job and training opportunities they offered us.

And for those complaining that it leads to people sitting at home just waiting for their unemployment paycheck, think again. In Luxembourg, you have to go to every lead they send you unless you have a very valid excuse not to (like being on prescribed sick leave or sending you somewhere you don't have any qualification for - but you need to point out the latter before the meeting date) and give them a copy of every job letter you sent (so they can check if you're really trying, but also to improve your resumee if necessary) at your monthly appointment (which is invariably before 10am) with them. Fail to do so and you won't get unemployment pay for a couple months. So yeah, you get enough money to live more or less, but they don't let you become lazy for it. Also keep in mind that you have to repay that money later on when you earn your own money.



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Yes, and it was no one's fault but my own. When I was 19 I got involved in a toxic relationship, one that left me unemployed for 3 years. When it came time to get a job, no one wanted to hire me because I went so long without a job. I felt defeated as it was a real catch 22.

The birth of my Son is what made me get back on track. When I looked at him, I wanted him to look up to his dad, not feel sorry for him. Through starting at the bottom, going back to school via apprenticeship, and clawing my way up the ladder, I now run work and bring in six figures a year.

Do not give up if you face hard times, you can come back. You just have to want it bad enough and keep moving forward. If I can come back from literally nothing, anyone can.



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Barozi said:
Well yeah, a few months after I finished school and when I left university.
But I never applied for government welfare in that time, so officially I was never unemployed.
Now I'm in a job where I can't be layed off in my lifetime, so I will never have to worry about unemployment.

Hi Barozi

Totally understand if you don't wish to answer, but are you able to shed some light on the type of role/industry that gives you that confidence?

I have had many years of what I would term 'secure' employment. But I could still be laid off with a months notice and a bit of a payout.

Well it's sort of a special case but in Germany there are two types of public servants and I'm working as a Beamter ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beamter ) and due to that I'm not in a contractual relationship with the state. That means I have special rights (don't have to pay into the social security system, can't be laid off, getting paid at the beginning of the month instead of the end of a month etc.) but also special duties (cannot strike, longer work times than regular public employees etc.).

However even for regular public employees there's a special case according to tarrif where they can't be laid off, but there are quite a few conditions they have to met for that to happen.

Also regarding the point where you could be laid off within a months notice even when you worked for your employer for several years, that also wouldn't be possible in Germany. The maximum would be a 7 month's notice if you worked for more than 20 years for the same employer. Even then you cannot simply be fired as the termination of your contract has to be socially justified. For example, if the employer wants to fire people for economic reasons and you happen to be a single father, he has to fire all childless employees first before he could fire you.

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Ka-pi96 said:
Firstly, if there's no jobs where you live why not look for jobs further afield and move if you have to?

Secondly, if you sounded desperate and were begging to work for free can you really be surprised that nobody wanted you?

Anyways, I've never had that problem myself. Walked into a job as soon as I left school, it was the place I did my work experience and they wanted me to come back, so I did. Later went to uni, got a degree and within about a month of searching for a job and a total of 2 interviews I got the job I'm in now.

Well then you were incredibly fortunate. Not everyone is so lucky.

And frankly, having a snotty-ish reply doesn't help anyone. For one thing, moving "afield" for jobs elsewhere, costs serious $$$$ that most jobs are not willing to front you for the move.



Man I dont know where you live but having a degree in accouting and not finding a job is kinda rare unless there is a huge economic crisis in your country like venezuela or you live in a city where there are no jobs in finance.
I wish you the best but maybe you should consider moving somewhere else?



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I haven't been unemployed for a full month since high school and I was a shitty student! Whatever job I had I worked my hardest and didn't complain and I always moved up to something better.

You say it's about "who you know" but it's entirely possible to become somebody that people know. And not once did I kiss anyone's ass. Most people would say I'm actually really quiet and introverted.

Feel bad for yourself for a couple of days. Then, come up with a plan and stick to it. You'll get to where you want to be. Feeling bad for yourself isn't going to get you there.



d21lewis said:
I haven't been unemployed for a full month since high school and I was a shitty student! Whatever job I had I worked my hardest and didn't complain and I always moved up to something better.

You say it's about "who you know" but it's entirely possible to become somebody that people know. And not once did I kiss anyone's ass. Most people would say I'm actually really quiet and introverted.

Feel bad for yourself for a couple of days. Then, come up with a plan and stick to it. You'll get to where you want to be. Feeling bad for yourself isn't going to get you there.

Well said, my man.

It might just be the case that there *are* jobs around, but the OP has convinced himself that there aren't so he wouldn't have to blame himself. It's easy to put the blame on the economy.

To answer the OP, there was a period of several years where I struggled with personal issues, and during that time I didn't have the drive to go and look for a job, as my priorities were fixated on something else. Since then I've recovered for the most part, and have spent the past (almost) six years as an app and web app developer for a small "start-up". It's taken this entire time to re-build my credit score and pay off debts, but in the last year or two we've really managed to start putting away money on a monthly basis. My wife also works full-time as of last year, and we have our second child on the way, which has led to my gaming time being severely limited.

It's a nice feeling having money in the bank, and making enough money to where I don't even need to think much about the things I buy. I have my wife take care of all the bills and as long as we end each month with more than we started with I'm happy. 



d21lewis said:
I haven't been unemployed for a full month since high school and I was a shitty student! Whatever job I had I worked my hardest and didn't complain and I always moved up to something better.

You say it's about "who you know" but it's entirely possible to become somebody that people know. And not once did I kiss anyone's ass. Most people would say I'm actually really quiet and introverted.

Feel bad for yourself for a couple of days. Then, come up with a plan and stick to it. You'll get to where you want to be. Feeling bad for yourself isn't going to get you there.

Same here,i even earned respect from higher ups because i tell it how it is without sugarcoating.



No one knows where you come from, No one knows what you have been through. They do not know your state of mind. They are not you. It is easy to say I have lived easy life, I have job and all this success, anyone can do it too. Not everyone has the same opportunities in life or got lucky in life.
I have applied for thousands of jobs online and no responses/replies. i feel so hopeless not getting any responses and no feedback.



Dark_Lord_2008 said:
No one knows where you come from, No one knows what you have been through. They do not know your state of mind. They are not you. It is easy to say I have lived easy life, I have job and all this success, anyone can do it too. Not everyone has the same opportunities in life or got lucky in life.
I have applied for thousands of jobs online and no responses/replies. i feel so hopeless not getting any responses and no feedback.

Do you mind posting your apply on how that looks? Difficult to believe that so many of yours aren't even responded to. 



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