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I mean, let's get down to business here. If you believe this, then certainly doctors don't actually care about helping people. They are just exploiting us for our money. Farmers don't really care about feeding the population. They are just exploiting us for our money. A healthy food company doesn't actually care about leading people towards a healthier lifestyle. They really only care about exploiting customers for their money.

Obviously businesses need to make money, but it's a bit absurd to act like not a single human being within companies gives a rats ass about other humans.



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Baalzamon said:
I mean, let's get down to business here. If you believe this, then certainly doctors don't actually care about helping people. They are just exploiting us for our money. Farmers don't really care about feeding the population. They are just exploiting us for our money. A healthy food company doesn't actually care about leading people towards a healthier lifestyle. They really only care about exploiting customers for their money.

Obviously businesses need to make money, but it's a bit absurd to act like not a single human being within companies gives a rats ass about other humans.

This whole tirade seems like a massive strawman...



Baalzamon said:
Man what a terrible world you live in that every single human being above and around you cannot possibly have any human emotion and cares about nothing except their corporations profitability and being able to exploit their workers.

So at what point do people reach this status and no longer become emotional humans to you? Is it the owner of a small local business? Is it only the owner/CEO of extremely large businesses? Is it the entire HR department that hires you, lives in your neighborhood? Is it the coworkers you go to the bar with and play darts with?

I've got news for you, a lot of people in this world are selfish pricks who don't give a rats ass about anybody else. It isn't just owners of businesses. Personally, I've quit the jobs where I felt that way, and have opted to work for places where I can have an actual conversation with my leaders.

Am I still expected to make money for them? Absolutely. That's why they are paying me. I also make sure I get paid what I'm worth, which contrary to what others seem to think, has absolutely nothing to do with what your peers are making, but rather how much value YOU bring to the company.

This isn't slavery for crying out loud. I get a pretty damn good life for the relatively easy 40 hours a week I put in.

Kudos to you for having that kind of privilege I guess. Many others don't have that luxury and these greedy/selfish corporations and CEOs know that and exploit it for profit. It's gross to even defend that type of practice. They'd do anything they can to squeeze a profit with no second thought for their workers, the environment, or the community. Why do you think labor laws had to be fought so vigorously for? They. Don't. Give. A. Shit.

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I agree, it is a giant stretch. Just like saying EVERY business and executive out there only cares about exploiting you is a stretch. While some people and businesses absolutely fall within this, the same thing could be said about every aspect of life (not just the employee employer relationship).

That, however, is what several people here are trying to argue. That by saying employees already have it fair, we are just siding with the enemy who has one care in the world: profit.

It's literally impossible to counter it because the majority of our lives exist because of...profit. So of course it's an important goal of the businesses.



Money can't buy happiness. Just video games, which make me happy.

Baalzamon said:
I agree, it is a giant stretch. Just like saying EVERY business and executive out there only cares about exploiting you is a stretch. While some people and businesses absolutely fall within this, the same thing could be said about every aspect of life (not just the employee employer relationship).

That, however, is what several people here are trying to argue. That by saying employees already have it fair, we are just siding with the enemy who has one care in the world: profit.

It's literally impossible to counter it because the majority of our lives exist because of...profit. So of course it's an important goal of the businesses.

I reread the discussion quickly to see if what you were saying was an accurate representation of the argument others are asserting. I don't believe it is. I think that it why you are struggling so much with the concept of equity among stakeholders. You seem to be interpreting it all as some Communist tirade against capitalism, but in reality, it seems to largely just be someone stating that all individuals with a stake in a company (Employees, community, shareholders, etc) should be taken into account by a business and not just shareholders. Things haven't always been this way either, so it isn't really some blind fantasy...

I don't know, you do you.



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Department of Education threatening to revoke funding for portraying Islam too positively.

America is becoming too pro Isreal. This is what happens when your government has biased jewish people in power.



tsogud said:
Imagine shilling for CEOs and corporations that don't give a damn whether you live or die lmao

Sums up anybody who's against medicare for all



Baalzamon said:
I mean, let's get down to business here. If you believe this, then certainly doctors don't actually care about helping people. They are just exploiting us for our money. Farmers don't really care about feeding the population. They are just exploiting us for our money. A healthy food company doesn't actually care about leading people towards a healthier lifestyle. They really only care about exploiting customers for their money.

Obviously businesses need to make money, but it's a bit absurd to act like not a single human being within companies gives a rats ass about other humans.

My farmer buddy was looking for help recently, as he typically is since it's tough keeping local workers around for long. He went from offering $16 per hour which is $2 more than min wage here, all the way up to $20 per hour two weeks later, which was literally more than he could afford, but he has to meet a contract and can't afford to lose the customer. He advertised in all the local papers and on social media. A week after $20 was the new offer, he still hadn't received even one application. Not one. Which isn't surprising for him, but is in general. The core of our friends helped him out as much as we could after work and on weekends, and it was easy work, not worth $20 that's for sure, and yet he couldn't get one person to come work for him. (He's not an ass or idiot either btw). Doing an easy job for considerably more than min wage, helping to provide food for people, something they can't live without, isn't worth doing apparently. He ended up getting a temp agency which was nothing but offshore workers wouldn't you know.

When I was a supervisor, I always had people below me telling me how lucky I was because of how easy my job was and how much more I got paid then them. Truth was I thought the same until I took the position, and realized that wasn't the case. The work wasn't any easier, just more mental than physical, and came with ridiculously more responsibility. The worst thing was sleep. Being physically spent allowed me to sleep well, but mentally spent, kept me up and made work even harder due to lack of energy and over consumption of caffeine. Sometimes you have to walk in others shoes to truly understand why they get paid what they do, and why many don't last in those high paying jobs.

People today, have their priorities terribly mismanaged, even the overpaid CEO's. While the upper tiers could easily manage to pay themselves a little less going forward, it wouldn't change how the average worker responds to that, so why not pay yourself every last penny while you can before you burn out? If these workers are so upset about their wages, why aren't they doing what's necessary to make the big bucks, in another career, whatever that entails? A few might be working their way towards that, but most are simply complaining for the sake of complaining.

Don't like how this company operates? Then find another who is more acceptable, or pull an Elon Musk. Couldn't ever accomplish that? Then tough luck. Get back to work and be happy you've got a decent if not great job all around.

How much better was the world before shareholders existed? Nowhere near as great as now?



Well to go back to before shareholders existed means to go back before money and borrowing was a concept.

I think the world is quite a bit more enjoyable now than it was then.



Money can't buy happiness. Just video games, which make me happy.