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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/dnc-names-20-candidates-who-will-appear-stage-first-democratic-n1017316
The DNC revealed the 20 candidates that will participate in the first debates.



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Jaicee said:
HylianSwordsman said:

Hmm, I clearly didn't pay enough attention to his environmental positions. Shame on me. I'll have to knock him down a few pegs on my list. That said, I do think he's too small time to be president. I'd prefer he run for something statewide first, maybe use the energy from his presidential run to give him the necessary name recognition to win statewide.

Harris isn't the staunch liberal you think she is. Just look at what she did as a lawyer. I don't trust her. I genuinely think the billionaires like her actually, and would be fine with her as a nominee. While they might back Pete, he's down on their list a bit. Like I said, after Biden, there's still Harris, O'Rourke, Castro, Hickenlooper, Klobochar, and de Blasio above him in neoliberal preference. It mostly comes down to who looks to have the most momentum, and right now Biden is fading and Buttigieg is fading faster.

I thought you were a Gillibrand girl? What changed your mind about her? Or is it just you gave up hope since she's barely qualifying for the debates?

Did you look at the Iowa survey I linked you to earlier? I ask because Buttigieg polled at 14% therein, which was just two points behind Bernie Sanders and only 10 behind front-runner Joe Biden, and also a major improvement from how he polled in the same survey back in March (1%), so...there is, in other words, no indication of lost momentum for the Buttigieg campaign, at least in Iowa. I'm not sure where you're getting that impression from. It's candidates like Beto O'Rourke and Amy Klobuchar who appear to have lost momentum of late.

(Incidentally, Elizabeth Warren also fared quite well in that survey of Iowa voters, polling at 15% support, just one point behind Sanders and nine behind Biden. There was also another, national survey released this week by The Economist and YouGov that found Warren in second place behind only Biden, with 16% support.)

As to Kirsten Gillibrand, I still like her. It's just that Elizabeth Warren has impressed me beyond my expectations. I'm not closed-minded about Gillibrand. I watched the CNN town hall they did with her and can confirm that she's a candidate I'd definitely be open to supporting still potentially, but gravitate toward Warren at present because of a lot of unique stands she's taken on things like trust-busting and her superior ability to communicate her policy ideas in detail.

Well O'Rourke has utterly collapsed in the polls, and good riddance, he's just a younger, less creepy, and more charismatic Biden. That might be a little harsh as he doesn't have quite the conservative history of Biden, but in terms of where each stands now, it's pretty fair. Buttigieg certainly maintains his strength in the Iowa polls, but he was pretty huge in national polls too until recently when he's begun to fade. I suspect Iowa will follow, they're just taking more of an early look, as they're known to do. I do agree with you that Iowa does a lot to shape the conversation in the primaries, but they're not everything. California will play an outsized roll this time, as they're much earlier this time around and of course have tons of delegates. Speaking of which, here's an interesting poll I just found:https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/13/warren-california-poll-2020-election-1363619 Warren is just barely ahead of Sanders and well ahead of Harris! If Harris gets 4th in her own state, I guarantee you she'll drop out. I'd love that, as she does attract a fair amount of progressive attention, however warranted it is, and her dropping out early would go a long way to coalesce the progressive vote into a stronger candidate to defeat Biden. If Biden doesn't get first, it'll do a lot to shake up the narrative of him as a front runner if he loses a big state like California that early. Of course, if we're lucky, he'll be exposed for the pathetic candidate he is and faded away long before California.

Warren has always been like that, surprised you didn't notice it sooner than this presidential race. That said, even I as a long time fan of hers was blown away by the rapid fire rolling out of detailed, awesome plans. She's super smart and capable, and she's clearly not going down without a fight. She doesn't rate as high against Trump as some candidates, but I know I and just about any progressive I know would be excited to fight for her, so she wouldn't have Hillary's energy problem where people were maybe willing to vote for her but not knock on doors.

Kirsten isn't very high on my list, but she's climbed a lot as I've gotten to know her a bit. On paper she's a good candidate, and she's used some pretty strong words to distance herself from things I don't like about her past. I wish she'd take more public stands on things.



SpokenTruth said:
jason1637 said:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/dnc-names-20-candidates-who-will-appear-stage-first-democratic-n1017316
The DNC revealed the 20 candidates that will participate in the first debates.

Excellent.  And exactly who we expected to not make the cut (Bullock, Gravel, Messam, Moulton).

Wonder if any of them drop now.

Hope they announce which 10 on which night soon so I can update the charts.

This article makes it seem like only the first debate is decided. The other four may try to qualify for the second debate before the qualifying conditions get tougher for the third.



SpokenTruth said:
HylianSwordsman said:

This article makes it seem like only the first debate is decided. The other four may try to qualify for the second debate before the qualifying conditions get tougher for the third.

Debate one has two nights with 10 candidates each.  They aren't putting all 20 on one stage in one night.  Check my OP for more information.

No, I understand that, but aren't there two debate nights in June (26/27) referred to as the "1st debate" and two debate nights in July (30/31) referred to as the "2nd debate"?

My point is that the article sounds like the June 26/27 debate is set in stone, but doesn't seem to refer to the July 30/31 debate, which one would presume would come with an extra month to qualify for. The remaining 4 candidates might hang on to try to qualify for that one before dropping out.



Night 1 and night 2 debate participants revealed. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/14/us/politics/democratic-debates-2020.html
Night One: June 26
Cory Booker, senator from New Jersey

Julián Castro, former housing secretary

Bill de Blasio, mayor of New York

John Delaney, former representative from Maryland

Tulsi Gabbard, representative from Hawaii

Jay Inslee, governor of Washington

Amy Klobuchar, senator from Minnesota

Beto O’Rourke, former representative from Texas

Tim Ryan, representative from Ohio

Elizabeth Warren, senator from Massachusetts

Night Two: June 27
Michael Bennet, senator from Colorado

Joseph R. Biden Jr., former vice president

Pete Buttigieg, mayor of South Bend, Ind.

Kirsten Gillibrand, senator from New York

Kamala Harris, senator from California

John Hickenlooper, former governor of Colorado

Bernie Sanders, senator from Vermont

Eric Swalwell, representative from California

Marianne Williamson, self-help author

Andrew Yang, former tech executive
Night 2 is the night to watch imo. Pretty stacked with big names.



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jason1637 said:

Night 1 and night 2 debate participants revealed. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/14/us/politics/democratic-debates-2020.html
Night One: June 26
Cory Booker, senator from New Jersey

Julián Castro, former housing secretary

Bill de Blasio, mayor of New York

John Delaney, former representative from Maryland

Tulsi Gabbard, representative from Hawaii

Jay Inslee, governor of Washington

Amy Klobuchar, senator from Minnesota

Beto O’Rourke, former representative from Texas

Tim Ryan, representative from Ohio

Elizabeth Warren, senator from Massachusetts

Night Two: June 27
Michael Bennet, senator from Colorado

Joseph R. Biden Jr., former vice president

Pete Buttigieg, mayor of South Bend, Ind.

Kirsten Gillibrand, senator from New York

Kamala Harris, senator from California

John Hickenlooper, former governor of Colorado

Bernie Sanders, senator from Vermont

Eric Swalwell, representative from California

Marianne Williamson, self-help author

Andrew Yang, former tech executive
Night 2 is the night to watch imo. Pretty stacked with big names.

Huh. That is a lopsided distribution of names. Night one only has Warren from the better polling persons. Night two has Biden, Sanders, Harris and Buttigieg.



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Mnementh said:
jason1637 said:

Night 1 and night 2 debate participants revealed. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/14/us/politics/democratic-debates-2020.html
Night One: June 26
Cory Booker, senator from New Jersey

Julián Castro, former housing secretary

Bill de Blasio, mayor of New York

John Delaney, former representative from Maryland

Tulsi Gabbard, representative from Hawaii

Jay Inslee, governor of Washington

Amy Klobuchar, senator from Minnesota

Beto O’Rourke, former representative from Texas

Tim Ryan, representative from Ohio

Elizabeth Warren, senator from Massachusetts

Night Two: June 27
Michael Bennet, senator from Colorado

Joseph R. Biden Jr., former vice president

Pete Buttigieg, mayor of South Bend, Ind.

Kirsten Gillibrand, senator from New York

Kamala Harris, senator from California

John Hickenlooper, former governor of Colorado

Bernie Sanders, senator from Vermont

Eric Swalwell, representative from California

Marianne Williamson, self-help author

Andrew Yang, former tech executive
Night 2 is the night to watch imo. Pretty stacked with big names.

Huh. That is a lopsided distribution of names. Night one only has Warren from the better polling persons. Night two has Biden, Sanders, Harris and Buttigieg.

Beto is in night one with Warren.



jason1637 said:
Mnementh said:

Huh. That is a lopsided distribution of names. Night one only has Warren from the better polling persons. Night two has Biden, Sanders, Harris and Buttigieg.

Beto is in night one with Warren.

I don't see Beto as a strong polling candidate anymore. RCP has him currently at 3.5%, Harris nearly doubles that.



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SpokenTruth said:

UPDATE:

The charts for the first debate nights have been updated.  I've also began the debate qualifications table for the second debate.  Buttigieg, Harris, Sanders and Warren are already qualified via donors. The polling criteria period runs between June 28th and August 28th.

I have to agree with others that it's not very well balanced.  Warren is only big name candidate the first night and I'm sure she's happy about that.  Night two is packed with Biden, Sanders, Buttigieg, Gabbard, Harris and Yang.

Gabbard is in night one.