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0D0 said:
Pemalite said:

Eventually, yes. Just wait for hardware to catch up.
Or simply spend more and potentially outlive multiple console generations, enjoy cheaper games, free online and so on, choice is yours.

Rubbish.
I do own consoles as well you know.

And I can assure you that the update/install times for consoles is absolutely terrible compared to my PC's.

So, eventually, yes. You're talking about the future.

It's not rubbish. It's crystal clear that consoles are far easier to deal than PCs.

You press one button, log in, then click on the game you want to play.  On console, you press one button, log in, then scroll to the game you want to play, and press a button.   And btw, my PS4s (pro and base) downloads everything slower than both of my PS3s.  The issue is that you do not realize how far pc gaming has come over the past few years.  I have both, and use both regularly, but I'm not going to be silly enough to say consoles are better.  They have their perks, but not outright better.  I've had plenty of shutdown errors on PS4 this generation, too.  More-so than PC.  



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LMU Uncle Alfred said:
One big problem with PC gaming though is that a lot of games ported to it don't run very well and sometimes the solutions needed to get them to run aren't worth it or can screw up things on your PC. Mods are great but can also have the same double-edge sword issues. I think updates from Microsoft may have "readjusted" some settings I made in the past too for mods to run.

The thing about consoles is that they're uniform and much easier to troubleshoot with known issues. There's just a sense of no fuss and plug and play with peace of mind you can't always get on PC. Also the ease of access to the internet on PC compared to consoles is a huge distraction and many times will win over wanting to play games on PC, so you forget why you wanted to sit down and enjoy a game in the first place.

My biggest collection of games is on PS3.  About 270 games, or so.  Followed by PC, somewhere around 150, with many of them being AAA titles.  Tekken, Soul Calibur, Street Fighter, Killer Instinct, Overwatch, Destiny, and whatever else I have all run fine on PC, so I have no idea of what you mean about games not running well.

In the case of GTAV, PC waited a while, but if you wanted to get that game day one, you were playing it on PS3, or xbox 360 anyway.

If out of my entire collection of games, you'd think I'd have even one example of a game not running well, if it is most of them.

And, don't forget about those pesky video editors too.  If you want to play a game, you might just start doing that and say forget about that game!  I want to make a 4k video about my trip from last year!....  Ease of access to the internet.  A huge distraction on PC, thus a benefit of consoles to have a worthless web browser. Better put your phone away while you're gaming too, while you're at it.  Never heard that one before.

This thread has convinced me that people who prefer consoles to pc have no idea of what games are actually like on PC.  And your $400 laptop from 2011 isn't the type of PC I'm talking about.



Burning Typhoon said:
LMU Uncle Alfred said:
One big problem with PC gaming though is that a lot of games ported to it don't run very well and sometimes the solutions needed to get them to run aren't worth it or can screw up things on your PC. Mods are great but can also have the same double-edge sword issues. I think updates from Microsoft may have "readjusted" some settings I made in the past too for mods to run.

The thing about consoles is that they're uniform and much easier to troubleshoot with known issues. There's just a sense of no fuss and plug and play with peace of mind you can't always get on PC. Also the ease of access to the internet on PC compared to consoles is a huge distraction and many times will win over wanting to play games on PC, so you forget why you wanted to sit down and enjoy a game in the first place.

My biggest collection of games is on PS3.  About 270 games, or so.  Followed by PC, somewhere around 150, with many of them being AAA titles.  Tekken, Soul Calibur, Street Fighter, Killer Instinct, Overwatch, Destiny, and whatever else I have all run fine on PC, so I have no idea of what you mean about games not running well.

In the case of GTAV, PC waited a while, but if you wanted to get that game day one, you were playing it on PS3, or xbox 360 anyway.

If out of my entire collection of games, you'd think I'd have even one example of a game not running well, if it is most of them.

And, don't forget about those pesky video editors too.  If you want to play a game, you might just start doing that and say forget about that game!  I want to make a 4k video about my trip from last year!....  Ease of access to the internet.  A huge distraction on PC, thus a benefit of consoles to have a worthless web browser. Better put your phone away while you're gaming too, while you're at it.  Never heard that one before.

This thread has convinced me that people who prefer consoles to pc have no idea of what games are actually like on PC.  And your $400 laptop from 2011 isn't the type of PC I'm talking about.

Depends on when you got some of the games and which games you have.  Some of the games have been fixed, but it can end up taking a long time for that to happen.

https://www.pcgamer.com/the-worst-pc-ports-ever/

This is just a small sample from a few years ago, but there's obviously issues with games being ported over.

To add to the list Nier Automata.  A favorite game of mine I was considering getting on PC but after hearing about the crashing issues forget about it.  Don't care if it's even "fixed" at this point as the game runs fine enough on PS4.

https://www.pcgamer.com/why-porting-games-to-pc-is-hard/

tl;dr version:  Unique setups of PCs create more unique problems when porting, thus more difficult to pinpoint issues for everyone with their own unique set ups, unlike consoles which are easier to fix issues with because they're almost all made the same.

Phones are a different device altogether (usually, unless you're using an app of some kind that your system allows)  so a little easier to deal with than an all in one device.  You can only concentrate fully holding a Controller/Mouse_keyboard or your phone.  Most probably are not even going to attempt both at the same time, but if you can then bravo.  I can't imagine you'd be enjoying yourself that much though with that level of multitasking. 

 

 



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LMU Uncle Alfred said:

Depends on when you got some of the games and which games you have.  Some of the games have been fixed, but it can end up taking a long time for that to happen.

https://www.pcgamer.com/the-worst-pc-ports-ever/

This is just a small sample from a few years ago, but there's obviously issues with games being ported over.

To add to the list Nier Automata.  A favorite game of mine I was considering getting on PC but after hearing about the crashing issues forget about it.  Don't care if it's even "fixed" at this point as the game runs fine enough on PS4.

https://www.pcgamer.com/why-porting-games-to-pc-is-hard/

tl;dr version:  Unique setups of PCs create more unique problems when porting, thus more difficult to pinpoint issues for everyone with their own unique set ups, unlike consoles which are easier to fix issues with because they're almost all made the same.

Phones are a different device altogether (usually, unless you're using an app of some kind that your system allows)  so a little easier to deal with than an all in one device.  You can only concentrate fully holding a Controller/Mouse_keyboard or your phone.  Most probably are not even going to attempt both at the same time, but if you can then bravo.  I can't imagine you'd be enjoying yourself that much though with that level of multitasking. 

 

 

Those games are ancient.  Mega man?  On PC, from 1990?  It's not even a port, that's an entirely different game.  No body's playing any of those games.  If you have to go back 5+ years, or even 30 years of PC games to make a point, your argument is invalid.  30 years ago, you were better off playing on consoles.  Today, you're better off on PC.  No one cares about a game from 2012 that no one's ever heard of.  What about the games releasing NOW.  Today.  I have batman arkham knight.  it runs better on the PC today, but i originally bought it on PS4.  I'd never play that game on PS4 considering how much better it is now.  It even uses Playstation callouts if your using a PS4 controller.

And I have Neir Automata too, never had an issue with the game.  I know from first hand experience.

The thing I asked about in the last post was to show me MOST GAMES not some remakes of console games that were made for inferior PCs.  Back in the 90s, you had totally different games on different consoles with the same name.  Mega Man on PC is one of them.

Street Fighter 2 was a bad port in 1992?  Well, today, I can emulate the arcade version of the game by buying the Street Fighter 30th Anniversary Collection. And it comes with Street Fighter 1-3, and alpha.  Even the article itself is from 2016.  My PC didn't even exist until 2017.

If we're going to go back 30 years, I may as well say Jumping Flash! on PS1 is a garbage of an exclusive for playstation.  It's stiff, clunky, and has horrible camera control.  And, I love that game.  It was one of the first games I owned on PS1, and I still play it today.  I was playing it last week.  But would I recommend it to anyone?  No.  I know full well, I like that game because of nostalgia and does not at all reflect the gaming standards of today.   There's no way you read that article.

Read what the article says on RE4. (Oh, the HD port fixes most of these issues anyway, but in 2003, oh boy, what a mess that game was.)  Are you kidding me?

Last edited by Burning Typhoon - on 16 March 2019

LMU Uncle Alfred said:

Depends on when you got some of the games and which games you have.  Some of the games have been fixed, but it can end up taking a long time for that to happen.

https://www.pcgamer.com/the-worst-pc-ports-ever/

This is just a small sample from a few years ago, but there's obviously issues with games being ported over.

Looked up the "worst PC ports EVER" and had to laugh hard at the first title.

The PC version of "Enslaved: Odyssey to the West" is by far the best way to play this hidden gem. Even when the "lazy port" was released, it looked much better than the PS3 and Xbox360 version due to the higher resolution.

All the other issues have been fixed a looooong time ago (no 30 fps lock, I play it with 100 - 165 fps; V-Sync and motion blur can be turned on or off) and it looks absolutely gorgeous in stereoscopic 3D.



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Burning Typhoon said:
LMU Uncle Alfred said:

Depends on when you got some of the games and which games you have.  Some of the games have been fixed, but it can end up taking a long time for that to happen.

https://www.pcgamer.com/the-worst-pc-ports-ever/

This is just a small sample from a few years ago, but there's obviously issues with games being ported over.

To add to the list Nier Automata.  A favorite game of mine I was considering getting on PC but after hearing about the crashing issues forget about it.  Don't care if it's even "fixed" at this point as the game runs fine enough on PS4.

https://www.pcgamer.com/why-porting-games-to-pc-is-hard/

tl;dr version:  Unique setups of PCs create more unique problems when porting, thus more difficult to pinpoint issues for everyone with their own unique set ups, unlike consoles which are easier to fix issues with because they're almost all made the same.

Phones are a different device altogether (usually, unless you're using an app of some kind that your system allows)  so a little easier to deal with than an all in one device.  You can only concentrate fully holding a Controller/Mouse_keyboard or your phone.  Most probably are not even going to attempt both at the same time, but if you can then bravo.  I can't imagine you'd be enjoying yourself that much though with that level of multitasking. 

 

 

Those games are ancient.  Mega man?  On PC, from 1990?  It's not even a port, that's an entirely different game.  No body's playing any of those games.  If you have to go back 5+ years, or even 30 years of PC games to make a point, your argument is invalid.  30 years ago, you were better off playing on consoles.  Today, you're better off on PC.  No one cares about a game from 2012 that no one's ever heard of.  What about the games releasing NOW.  Today.  I have batman arkham knight.  it runs better on the PC today, but i originally bought it on PS4.  I'd never play that game on PS4 considering how much better it is now.  It even uses Playstation callouts if your using a PS4 controller.

And I have Neir Automata too, never had an issue with the game.  I know from first hand experience.

The thing I asked about in the last post was to show me MOST GAMES not some remakes of console games that were made for inferior PCs.  Back in the 90s, you had totally different games on different consoles with the same name.  Mega Man on PC is one of them.

Street Fighter 2 was a bad port in 1992?  Well, today, I can emulate the arcade version of the game by buying the Street Fighter 30th Anniversary Collection. And it comes with Street Fighter 1-3, and alpha.  Even the article itself is from 2016.  My PC didn't even exist until 2017.

If we're going to go back 30 years, I may as well say Jumping Flash! on PS1 is a garbage of an exclusive for playstation.  It's stiff, clunky, and has horrible camera control.  And, I love that game.  It was one of the first games I owned on PS1, and I still play it today.  I was playing it last week.  But would I recommend it to anyone?  No.  I know full well, I like that game because of nostalgia and does not at all reflect the gaming standards of today.   There's no way you read that article.

Read what the article says on RE4. (Oh, the HD port fixes most of these issues anyway, but in 2003, oh boy, what a mess that game was.)  Are you kidding me?

You didn't ask about anything.  You just said you had a lot of games that you say run well, but not everybody has the same PC set up as you. 

You also don't get to dictate what games are relevant for this as people play all different kinds of games with different set ups.  

It's also not all about specs.   You can have a powerful PC, but for some games when they come out you might not have a specific driver for a particular game to run without crashing or glitching, or if not a driver, without having to tweak your PC settings. 

If yours is running N:A well then good for you.  Not everybody was so lucky at the beginning when it came out.  There were driver issues in particular that were causing issues.  But it didn't stop there.  There are solutions, but there's  a lot of workarounds https://windowsreport.com/fix-nier-automata-issues/  

 Some people also don't like waiting for games to get fixed and that alone could end up souring ever getting a certain version of said game.  If you're ok with waiting on them and in some cases tweaking your PC settings to get them to work, then more power to you.

These problems are a completely valid reason why gamers should consider still buying consoles over PC.



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LMU Uncle Alfred said:

It's also not all about specs.   You can have a powerful PC, but for some games when they come out you might not have a specific driver for a particular game to run without crashing or glitching, or if not a driver, without having to tweak your PC settings.

I am running drivers from November last year. It's perfectly fine in all new games.
I think people over-blow issues like crashes and glitching when it's really not even a big problem on PC anymore.

Hows about that time when Anthem would brick Playstation 4 consoles?
https://pokde.net/gaming/sony/playstation-4/anthem-bricks-playstation-4-consoles/

Or before that when you could send a message and Brick consoles?
http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2018/10/ps4_messages_designed_to_brick_your_console_reported_by_users

Or when a bug temporarily bricked Xbox One consoles?
https://www.techradar.com/au/news/mysterious-bug-bricked-xbox-one-consoles-for-a-few-hours-on-wednesday

Or when 3rd party docks would brick Nintendo Switch consoles?
https://www.imore.com/these-third-party-docks-wont-brick-your-nintendo-switch

Or certain USB-C cables would brick Nintendo Switch consoles?
https://www.destructoid.com/after-the-mass-bricked-switch-situation-nintendo-explains-which-usb-c-cables-are-safe-497397.phtml

Or hows about the online stuff having outages like the Playstation Network?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2018/10/16/psn-down-playstation-network-is-having-problems-on-ps4/#26f499ac4cf5

Or Xbox Live?
https://www.news.com.au/technology/home-entertainment/gaming/xbox/gamers-thought-their-console-was-broken-after-xbox-live-went-down-this-morning/news-story/7b21dd7483db874ae04825e8646ad402

Recent games on console like Assassins Creed Unity, Aliens: Colonial Marines, Mass Effect: Andromeda, Anthem, Skyrim and so much more were stocked full of bugs on console.
https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/6-bugs-and-glitches-that-have-ruined-video-games.html/

I could keep going...

But the PC is somehow the exclusively buggy, unreliable platform? Common. All things man-made are prone to failure you know.

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LMU Uncle Alfred said:

You didn't ask about anything.  You just said you had a lot of games that you say run well, but not everybody has the same PC set up as you. 

You also don't get to dictate what games are relevant for this as people play all different kinds of games with different set ups.  

It's also not all about specs.   You can have a powerful PC, but for some games when they come out you might not have a specific driver for a particular game to run without crashing or glitching, or if not a driver, without having to tweak your PC settings. 

If yours is running N:A well then good for you.  Not everybody was so lucky at the beginning when it came out.  There were driver issues in particular that were causing issues.  But it didn't stop there.  There are solutions, but there's  a lot of workarounds https://windowsreport.com/fix-nier-automata-issues/  

 Some people also don't like waiting for games to get fixed and that alone could end up souring ever getting a certain version of said game.  If you're ok with waiting on them and in some cases tweaking your PC settings to get them to work, then more power to you.

These problems are a completely valid reason why gamers should consider still buying consoles over PC.

Because the title is "why bother buying consoles next gen" and you try to bring 30 year old games into the mix.  If you're going to play 30 year old games on PC, then yeah, of course PS5 would be better.  Do I really need to specify that?  We're not even using windows 7 anymore.  Anyone who playing next gen games are not going to be using windows xp, or 7, or something like that.  I'm talking about primarily next gen stuff.  There's no reason to dig down into the grave of 90s gaming/electronics to pull up some literal dirt old reasoning and hold it against modern games as if it's a legitimate reason to stick with consoles.  Because Mega man from 1991 was a bad game.  It wasn't even a port.  A totally different game sharing the same name as the original.  But then you totally ignore that all those old games on that list have newer, competent ports.

No 3D game I own will run on my windows 7 PC.  It doesn't even have a graphics card, and it doesn't meet the system requirements.  Just like how my PS3 doesn't meet the system requirements for any PS4 game I own.  If you have the correct hardware, it will work.  That's what I'm talking about.  Having the proper hardware.  If you have the proper hardware to run the game the way it was intended, why do you need a console?

So, no, my specs aren't important, because I have the proper hardware.  I could run some dirt old games on this PC if I wanted to, but the most part, if you have improper, or old hardware, it's not going to work.  Just like how my PS2 games wont work in a PS4.

If you'd kept up with the original post, you'd see that I own every playstation console.  I did that so no one could say I was bashing consoles.  I was legitimately asking the point of owning a console, and the only thing people are doing is naming falsehoods and misconceptions that I know are falsehoods and misconceptions because I own both.

My PS4s, both of them, collect dust.  I get more use out of my PS3, and none of my consoles get as much use as my PC.

As for getting the games earlier, that counts as a valid reason, I'm not saying it doesn't.  But that just makes it a timed exclusive.



Pemalite said:
LMU Uncle Alfred said:

It's also not all about specs.   You can have a powerful PC, but for some games when they come out you might not have a specific driver for a particular game to run without crashing or glitching, or if not a driver, without having to tweak your PC settings.

I am running drivers from November last year. It's perfectly fine in all new games.
I think people over-blow issues like crashes and glitching when it's really not even a big problem on PC anymore.

Hows about that time when Anthem would brick Playstation 4 consoles?
https://pokde.net/gaming/sony/playstation-4/anthem-bricks-playstation-4-consoles/

Or before that when you could send a message and Brick consoles?
http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2018/10/ps4_messages_designed_to_brick_your_console_reported_by_users

Or when a bug temporarily bricked Xbox One consoles?
https://www.techradar.com/au/news/mysterious-bug-bricked-xbox-one-consoles-for-a-few-hours-on-wednesday

Or when 3rd party docks would brick Nintendo Switch consoles?
https://www.imore.com/these-third-party-docks-wont-brick-your-nintendo-switch

Or certain USB-C cables would brick Nintendo Switch consoles?
https://www.destructoid.com/after-the-mass-bricked-switch-situation-nintendo-explains-which-usb-c-cables-are-safe-497397.phtml

Or hows about the online stuff having outages like the Playstation Network?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2018/10/16/psn-down-playstation-network-is-having-problems-on-ps4/#26f499ac4cf5

Or Xbox Live?
https://www.news.com.au/technology/home-entertainment/gaming/xbox/gamers-thought-their-console-was-broken-after-xbox-live-went-down-this-morning/news-story/7b21dd7483db874ae04825e8646ad402

Recent games on console like Assassins Creed Unity, Aliens: Colonial Marines, Mass Effect: Andromeda, Anthem, Skyrim and so much more were stocked full of bugs on console.
https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/6-bugs-and-glitches-that-have-ruined-video-games.html/

I could keep going...

But the PC is somehow the exclusively buggy, unreliable platform? Common. All things man-made are prone to failure you know.

 

There are of course games that run shoddily on consoles when they come out, but I'm talking more about PC ports compared to their console counterparts. 

The issues you're mentioning are more uniform and easier to pin point solutions to once found that will effect all or most of the consoles.  Sometimes these issues don't get fixed, but if they can it's almost always by patches only.  Not saying the same can't be said of PCs, but there's a higher curve to fixing some PC game issues you could run into to get them to get past glitches or crashing.

Regarding the Nier driver issue for instance, one of the solutions was to rollback a driver to an older version.  I'd rather not do anything like that that could have wider implications. :/

As for the more network related issues you mentioned, that's a problem with everything unfortunately.  OS updates can brick PCs just as well.



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A console you just plug and play with no issues and play games with friends.

On pc in a lot of cases you have to find fixes and work around. If it's not happened to you it's certainly happening to someone else just search "1080ti fps problems" or "fallout won't load" or in my case "wolfentrien new blood doesn't work on rx 480"

Wolfenstien doesn't work properly unless you install 2016 drivers what a joke. If I had bought the ps4 version it would have simply just played full stop.

So although pc gaming has always been very good it's never going to be the mass market popular gaming device that someone will get on birthdays Xmas etc console are amazing in what they do.

If ps5 can do 4k/60 at a good price point then it will be more difficult to go pc only imo



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