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HollyGamer on 16 December 2018

Scarlet, Anaconda, Lock hart??? I am confuse.

I believe Scarlet are the family names of all the future Xbox devices on one environment. One of the device will be Anaconda for premium one 500 USD (i bet it will not be that far from Lockhart spec) . The normal one will be Lockhart which is just another Xbox One X on slim factor that can play Anaconda games on 1080p .

The problem is for Anaconda , calling it premium is overstatement , because Xbox One X to Xbox One S tech is over 2 generation leap. Comparing Lockhart to Anaconda is just like comparing Xbox One to PS4. And cannot be compared to Xbox On to Xbox One X.

And also if LockHart is going to play Anaconda games at 1080 p games, why wouldn't they just release Anaconda games on Xbox One X and make it run at 1080p???



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Mr Puggsly on 16 December 2018

So there could be four different Xbox devices on the market at once? Okay.

Are the X1X and low end Scarlett going to be around $300 at the same time?

Meh, I guess the goal is to have all bases covered. But I still think X1 is gonna stay relevant in some form for years into the 9th gen.



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HollyGamer on 17 December 2018
shikamaru317 said:
HollyGamer said:
Scarlet, Anaconda, Lock hart??? I am confuse.

I believe Scarlet are the family names of all the future Xbox devices on one environment. One of the device will be Anaconda for premium one 500 USD (i bet it will not be that far from Lockhart spec) . The normal one will be Lockhart which is just another Xbox One X on slim factor that can play Anaconda games on 1080p .

The problem is for Anaconda , calling it premium is overstatement , because Xbox One X to Xbox One S tech is over 2 generation leap. Comparing Lockhart to Anaconda is just like comparing Xbox One to PS4. And cannot be compared to Xbox On to Xbox One X.

And also if LockHart is going to play Anaconda games at 1080 p games, why wouldn't they just release Anaconda games on Xbox One X and make it run at 1080p???

Yes, Scarlett is the family name for all next-gen Xbox projects it seems, while Lockhart is the weaker next-gen console and Anaconda is the stronger next-gen console. In terms of specs, Anaconda is rumored to be quite a bit above XB1 X and Lockhart actually, we've heard rumors of it having at least a 12 tflop Navi GPU, which is double the 6 tflop GPU in XB1 X on paper (and probably more than double in real world performance when you take architectural improvements on Navi into consideration), and I wouldn't be surprised if it has 16 GB of GDDR6 memory as opposed to 12 GB of GDDR5 in XB1 X and Lockhart.

Not sure what you mean on the 2nd paragraph.

Most likely because the weak Jaguar CPU in XB1 X can't handle next-gen games without causing framerate issues, we've already seen several current gen games having issues caused by the weak Jaguar CPU's, those issues will only be worse next-gen with games being optimized for the Ryzen CPU's in Anaconda and PS5. I'm assuming that Lockhart is going to have the XB1 X GPU and memory paired with a low-end Ryzen CPU which should prevent any CPU bottlenecks from happening. Lockhart kind of feels like a middle finger to XB1 X buyers for sure though, and it is exactly why MS should have used a Ryzen CPU in XB1 X to start with even if they had to sell at a small loss to do it, so that it could have played next-gen games at 1080p with no issues.

Trying to comparing Anaconda to  Xbox One X  is not correct , because Xbox Scorpio (X) technology to the original Xbox One is 2 generation leap . It means to be comparable and to be called premium it need two generational leap like Xbox One X is. Remember Xbox One is 1,3 teraflpo with the price 300 USD while Xbox One X is 6 teraflop with  500 USD in 4 years gap.  

Anaconda can be called premium if it 4 years gap , it's not just the price. But they can make it premium if it's price around 1000 USD. Because Xbox One X if it was released in 2013 it would have been price around 1000 USD. 

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Mr Puggsly on 17 December 2018
shikamaru317 said:
Mr Puggsly said:
So there could be four different Xbox devices on the market at once? Okay.

Are the X1X and low end Scarlett going to be around $300 at the same time?

Meh, I guess the goal is to have all bases covered. But I still think X1 is gonna stay relevant in some form for years into the 9th gen.

That's what it looks like, but maybe they plan to only support XB1 S and X with cross-gen games for a year or so.

They will probably discontinue X in 2020 if Lockhart is basically an X with a few improvements like Windows Central's sources suggest, and drop any remaining X stock down to $250 to clear it out. There would literally be no reason for somebody to buy an X instead of Lockhart if they are about the same price but X can't play next-gen games like Lockhart can. S meanwhile will likely keep selling for $150 or so until it is discontinued around 2022 most likely. 

I imagine they would want to discontinue the X1S first given that would become the most difficult to support over time and is already getting some underwhelming ports. I don't think they want to sell it for $149 either. Instead I feel like they would just push the X1X at $249, maybe there would be a remodel to make it cheaper to produce as well.

In that scenario, the entry option of X1X at $249 should be capable of playing modern games well at 1080p (or higher) with potentially reduced performance due to the dated CPU. While the Scarlett consoles will be priced higher at $349 and $499.



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vivster on 17 December 2018

Good for them! We need a proper hardware cycle and not "generations".



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PwerlvlAmy on 17 December 2018

Give me some good exclusives with all those studios you're buying Microsoft and I'll buy your shiny hardware next gen



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Trumpstyle on 17 December 2018

Yep at latest E3 Phil Spencer said they were making new consoles with a plural, that means either 2 or more consoles for next-gen I guess. And a streaming box just doesn't make any sense, Sony tried this with PS now and it was a complete failure, I don't think Microsoft can do any better.

A 300$ and 500$ console makes better sense, this way they will have the most powerful console and the cheapest one in the next-gen war against Sony.



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WoodenPints on 17 December 2018
shikamaru317 said:

Actually, we have recent rumors of a streaming box as well, that has a decent chipset in it that runs latency dependent tasks locally. https://mspoweruser.com/rumored-xbox-streaming-box-reportedly-powered-by-custom-amd-picasso-chip/ I think we could see something like this next gen:

$250- Streaming Box

$350- Lockhart

$500- Anaconda  

 

It's also possible that we will see discless variants of Lockhart and Anaconda for $50 cheaper than the disc-drive variants, since MS is testing the viability of a discless console with the discless S next year, so we could see:

$250- Streaming box

$300- Discless Lockhart

$350- Lockhart

$450- Discless Anaconda

$500- Anaconda

I don't really think a $50 less disc-less version will really cut it and be attractive enough for even those who are majority digital and If they wan't a disc-less variant to work they need to put it out there for a bigger initial loss on their end to quickly make back through services and the higher margins on digital along with less sales lost from the used market, something along the lines of $100-150 cheaper if they want to tempt people into full digital.



Mr Puggsly on 17 December 2018
vivster said:
Good for them! We need a proper hardware cycle and not "generations".

They could have it both ways with continued support of X1. But two versions of Scarlett would be future proofing and covering bases on price.

So its all up in the air at this point. All we know for certain is 8th gen consoles are guaranteed to get notable support for a few years into the 9th gen.



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haxxiy on 17 December 2018

Two separate SKUs for streaming makes little sense, it would be much better and simpler to have two tiers of streaming services. More profitable, even, I believe.

Unless they think it would drain from the perception of value of the 1080p physical console, so yeah, perhaps they're thinking about competition among their own consoles.

Edit: simpler yet: slap the next-generation streaming service into the Xbox One as-is and call it a day. Sony could do it with the PS4 I wonder.