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Pemalite said:
Mummelmann said:
DICE, and EA by extension, desperately need some new PR consultants. For people who claim to combat marginalization, they seem awfully keen on marginalizing their own customer base. The age old technique of sweeping legitimate complaints and criticism behind troll comments and vitriolic stupidity stopped working a long time ago, their chance to rise above and focus on presenting and selling an actual, desirable entertainment product seems to have passed.

It's a shame, I've really enjoyed the BF series up until BF1, I spent countless hours at LAN meetings playing BF2, and BF 3 and 4 were among only a handful of titles I ever bothered playing online.

I even enjoyed Battlefield 1. Until I didn't.
The singleplayer was decent enough though. *stares at black ops 3*

Campaign was decent in BF1, but way too short for me, the value in previous BF titles was always the outstanding multiplayer. Even BF4's campaign was pretty good, but much too short as well. The BF1 multiplayer just didn't click for me, felt too fast-paced and enclosed, more like a CoD game in many ways. What I enjoyed in BF 3 and 4 was the strategy element of having 4 man squads capturing objectives (I only ever play conquest). To me, it seems like DICE have changed their formula more towards CoD in later installments, which is dumb since the people who buy and play BF are often the ones who don't want CoD, for a number of reasons.



End of 2016 hardware sales:

Wii U: 15 million. PS4: 54 million. One: 30 million. 3DS: 64.8 million. PSVita: 15.2 million.

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twintail said:
KManX89 said:

Wow, EA/DICE continue to be white knights. All because gamers did what they told them to and "not buy the game if they didn't like it" (which is why it went on sale less than a week after releasing), you know, the same people they called uneducated and went "my daughter" for wanting a historically accurate WW2 game (because insulting your own fan base is a great way to market your game). Rather than holding this L with some dignity, they go out of their way to mock and put words in BFV detractors' mouths at a launch party event (most of the complaints were NOT "fuck wymins/feminazis"), calling them bigots of every size, shape and color. 

Because it worked so well for GhostBusters, right, right?

Add to this censoring white man (which I covered earlier) and Nazi in a game about fighting Nazis and it's truly baffling that they STILL can't figure out why their game sold like shit, chalking it up to "being for inclusivity". Yup, totes no (v)agenda here.

 

So ppl are complaining that they won't remove female characters from online?

I like the option to play as females. It's fiction. Taking liberties is the whole point of fiction.

But, come on. EA's statements and handling of the entire release have been nothing short of abhorrent. What PR is "If you don't like it, don't buy it"? A lot of people who were fine with the game are put off by that attitude. "This company wants me to give them my money? No thank you. They're rude."



This image seems dodgy to me... Is there actual footage of the event?

Darwinianevolution said:
Errorist76 said:

Maybe they're trying to beat their ‘critics’ with their own weapons...

But by limiting the criticisms to this game to "everyone who doesn't like this game is racist/sexist" they are creating a very poor strawman. Not only this deflection of criticism is childish and blind to the valid opinion of many people, but also puts in the same boat people who just wanted a better game with the small minority of trolls who throw shit at everything to fuel the flamewars. EA should have known better, and if this kind of marketing is DICE's thing, then they should have taken responsability and stop it beforehand.

Not to mention they're gonna burn even more goodwill by continuing to act like Anitas and calling anyone who doesn't approve of their rewriting history and spitting on the grave of soldiers who actually fought in WW2 a sexist, further negatively affecting not only this game, but all games by EA/DICE moving forward in terms of sales.

I see they STILL haven't gotten the memo.



Game was down 85% in pre-orders, compared to Black Ops 4, then 65% down in sales UK when comparing the first two weeks of battlefield 1 to 5. Target and Best Buy dropped the game's price to $30 just a week after launch. As a result EA's stock is also 40% down compared to E3 time.

Keep digging your own grave, DICE. For once I'm going to be clapping if a studio goes belly up.

This is exactly what happens when you pander to an audience that doesnt even play games.



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Game is awesome i got the deluxe edition for 30 dollars, i for one am happy they said FU to bigots

Medisti said:
twintail said:

 

So ppl are complaining that they won't remove female characters from online?

I like the option to play as females. It's fiction. Taking liberties is the whole point of fiction.

But, come on. EA's statements and handling of the entire release have been nothing short of abhorrent. What PR is "If you don't like it, don't buy it"? A lot of people who were fine with the game are put off by that attitude. "This company wants me to give them my money? No thank you. They're rude."

The problem is that it's based on a real event. If EA/DICE wanted to make their own original modern shooter with a cricket bat-wielding prosthetic-armed woman, there wouldn't be nearly as much backlash. Granted, there might still be some sexist assholes ripping the game a new one, but nowhere near the level of scathing BFV received, I wonder why.

KLAMarine said:
This image seems dodgy to me... Is there actual footage of the event?

No live footage, but that screencap was an actual presentation during the event. EA/DICE continued to act like petulant children and call anyone who disapproves a sexist bigot while putting words in their mouth to boot. Spoiler: that's not what most of the detractors were saying. 

flashfire926 said:

Game was down 85% in pre-orders, compared to Black Ops 4, then 65% down in sales UK when comparing the first two weeks of battlefield 1 to 5. Target and Best Buy dropped the game's price to $30 just a week after launch. As a result EA's stock is also 40% down compared to E3 time.

Keep digging your own grave, DICE. For once I'm going to be clapping if a studio goes belly up.

This is exactly what happens when you pander to an audience that doesnt even play games.

This. 



EA really needs to fire whoever is running DICE. This guy is an idiot that is going to kill one of their most lucrative IP's if they let him keep running DICE. Battlefield V sales are already way down compared to Battlefield 1, it was down by 63% on physical in the UK on launch week, and console digital has only grown by about 10% on average in those 2 years, so Battlefield V sales are definitely way down. It was selling for $30 a week after release and had a 7 day free trial. I've heard matchmaking times are awful so there must be barely anyone playing. Between the Battlefront 2 disaster last year and now this, he is doing a terrible job.

They made alot of mistakes with it from what I've heard:

  • Pushing historically inaccurate viewpoints, going as far as to change the genders of soldiers that took part in Operation Gunnerside, dishonoring the men that actually served in that operation.
  • Adding a Fortnite like customization system that just looks silly in a WW2 game. 
  • Making big gameplay changes that didn't go over well with much of the fanbase.
  • Map rotation problems that are causing several of the maps to not show up for many gamers, leading to the game appearing to have less content than it actually has
  • Grayed out UI options because content got cut from release to be used as DLC
  • Comically bad screams whenever someone dies (screams that are even more comical than the Wilhelm scream)

No wonder it is failing.

Last edited by shikamaru317 - on 05 December 2018

They should have just said "Hey we wanted to give a different, fictional twist to WW2 for everyone to enjoy. Try it out it's really good!" But no..

KiigelHeart said:
They should have just said "Hey we wanted to give a different, fictional twist to WW2 for everyone to enjoy. Try it out it's really good!" But no..

Even if they had done that, think it would’ve changed a thing? I don’t. sJWHiStOrYmUrDeRiNgAsShOlEs !!1!11