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NightlyPoe said:
WhatATimeToBeAlive said:

I don't think that anyone thinks like that. But saying that it's equally viable as a primary/only console, is not very valid argument, because majority of gamers would most likely choose PS4 as their primary/only console. But millions would still choose the Switch.

Then how did this thread get to almost 200 responses?  Because the title is "Nintendo Switch is perfectly viable as a primary or even only gaming device..." and then a challenge to "Change my mind."

There is no mention of equality, only viability.  Either people didn't understand the topic, or they are arguing that it's not viable.

The OP replied to me that Switch is equally viable, so I got it from there. I haven't red most of these posts so I can't say what others have talked.



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Of course the switch is equally viable. I've personally bought around 75 games for it already, I can't even keep up with all the releases I want on it, from the look of 2019 that problem is only going to get worse for me.
Another big thing for me is the portability of the console, I can pick up the switch walk to other parts of the house, or bring it on the bus/train/plane easily. The ps4 is stuck in one room, if I'm not in that room I'm not playing it.
Also I just find the switch gets into a game much faster. Its start up is quicker, it's ui is quicker everything is just faster. The ps4 can be a bit of a slog. It takes a long time to start up, the menus take a while to get through, the store takes forever to get through. The switch has convenience on its side and convenience is a very powerful thing.

Shiken said:
WhatATimeToBeAlive said:

I don't think that anyone thinks like that. But saying that it's equally viable as a primary/only console, is not very valid argument, because majority of gamers would most likely choose PS4 as their primary/only console. But millions would still choose the Switch.

I never stated that exactly the same amount of people would choose Switch as PS4, just that it is equally as viable.  Hell the X1 is equally as viable and it has not even sold half as what the PS4 has.  It seems you misunderstood  the point I was trying to make.

But the point is that majority of people don't view them equally viable. And how are Xbox and PS4 equally viable, when PS4 has more exlusives that are objectively better?



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WhatATimeToBeAlive said:
Shiken said:

I never stated that exactly the same amount of people would choose Switch as PS4, just that it is equally as viable.  Hell the X1 is equally as viable and it has not even sold half as what the PS4 has.  It seems you misunderstood  the point I was trying to make.

But the point is that majority of people don't view them equally viable. And how are Xbox and PS4 equally viable, when PS4 has more exlusives that are objectively better?

That is not the point at all. Quantity of games has nothing to do with viability here. It is personal preference that dictates a consoles viability. The ps4 may have more exclusives but if a person has no interest in most of those games it will not be viable for them. The point of this thread appears to be that the switch should not just be dismissed as a persons primary or only console. The console has more than enough games to keep 99% of people going for years.



WhatATimeToBeAlive said:

You didn't answer these two:

Where are those 2018 Switch AA games with 80-90+ rating?

What are those Switch AA games with similar development costs (not counting marketing costs) as Just Cause 4?

 

Is Monster Hunter World not AAA?

 

God of War?

Detroit?

 

Spider-Man?

Shadow of the Tomb Raider?

Assassin's Creed Odyssey?

Forza Horizon 4?

Call of Duty?

Battlefield V?

Red Dead Redemption 2?

 

Once you have decided that which of those games are not AAA, can you name those 15 AAA games from 2017, and also those 10 rated 90+?

"2007 had 50 AAA games." So you keep making numbers from thin air? I wonder why?

The list is right there for you, Valkyria 4, Valkyria remaster, Civ6, Octopath, TWEWY R, Dark Souls R, Fortnite, Ys, Child of Light, Diablo 3, Wolfenstein 2, DQ Builders, DBFZ, Both South Park RPGs etc... the list is right there for you if you don't want to read it it's not my problem. AA games aren't as defined by budget either they're mid tier games of decent commercial standing considered worth while purchases in a library so don't require the need to have the same budget as JC this part alone in your post has me wondering if you understand what you're trying to argue tbh.

What about MH? are you sure you know what you're arguing at this point or understand the points being put forward to you as this part is all random and has no context to it.

Those numbers aren't out of thin air the very site I linked you backs them and that's going by your very own logic you've yet to debunk any of this and I can name those 15 AAA in 2007 easily in fact having checked the are actually 16 and 13 of them are 90 or above (marked with *).

Bioshock*
CODMW*
Team Fortress 2*
Portal*
Halo 3*
GOW2*
ES:Oblivion*
Mass Effect*
Crysis*
Rock Band*
Half Life 2:EP2*
Forza*
Uncharted
Assassin's Creed
Project Gotham
GH2*

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WhatATimeToBeAlive said:
Shiken said:

I never stated that exactly the same amount of people would choose Switch as PS4, just that it is equally as viable.  Hell the X1 is equally as viable and it has not even sold half as what the PS4 has.  It seems you misunderstood  the point I was trying to make.

But the point is that majority of people don't view them equally viable. And how are Xbox and PS4 equally viable, when PS4 has more exlusives that are objectively better?

Much like how someone might value portability, someone could also value 360 BC, Gamepass, or want the best 4k gaming experience available with the X.  Honestly it seems like this has more to do with you trying to put PS4 on a pedestal rather than acknowledging why many people might choose another console instead of the PS4 TBH.



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pikashoe said:
WhatATimeToBeAlive said:

But the point is that majority of people don't view them equally viable. And how are Xbox and PS4 equally viable, when PS4 has more exlusives that are objectively better?

That is not the point at all. Quantity of games has nothing to do with viability here. It is personal preference that dictates a consoles viability. The ps4 may have more exclusives but if a person has no interest in most of those games it will not be viable for them. The point of this thread appears to be that the switch should not just be dismissed as a persons primary or only console. The console has more than enough games to keep 99% of people going for years.

I think this is where the confusion is occurring. You are saying that the Switch has more than enough games to keep 99% of people going for years. At the same time though, you say that quantity of games has nothing to do with viability. So by that logic, even though Switch has enough games to keep people busy, if they aren't the games that people prefer, than is that really a viable option?

Ultimately I think that Switch is great for certain people and obviously could be their only console. I just tend to believe that if a person is only able to choose one console, Switch has less appeal due to technical specs and third party support. For those that are not interested in AAA games, FPS/resolution, or those who only want to play Nintendo's own AA/AAA games, Switch is a viable option.

Personally I am glad I don't have to choose just one.



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Munn75 said:
pikashoe said:

That is not the point at all. Quantity of games has nothing to do with viability here. It is personal preference that dictates a consoles viability. The ps4 may have more exclusives but if a person has no interest in most of those games it will not be viable for them. The point of this thread appears to be that the switch should not just be dismissed as a persons primary or only console. The console has more than enough games to keep 99% of people going for years.

I think this is where the confusion is occurring. You are saying that the Switch has more than enough games to keep 99% of people going for years. At the same time though, you say that quantity of games has nothing to do with viability. So by that logic, even though Switch has enough games to keep people busy, if they aren't the games that people prefer, than is that really a viable option?

Ultimately I think that Switch is great for certain people and obviously could be their only console. I just tend to believe that if a person is only able to choose one console, Switch has less appeal due to technical specs and third party support. For those that are not interested in AAA games, FPS/resolution, or those who only want to play Nintendo's own AA/AAA games, Switch is a viable option.

Personally I am glad I don't have to choose just one.

The 99% part wasn't really about viability, i think all three current consoles have enough games to keep 99% of people going. Viability for being a primary console comes down to gane preference. I should have made that more clear.

I don't think that many people realistically care a huge amount about specs, frame rate, resolution etc. When choosing a console. If that were the case every Nintendo handheld would have failed.

I think what games people are looking for is a big factor. Many things can go into why someone plays one console more than another. A big reason why I play my switch more than my ps4 Is convenience. I can play it on the tv, i can play it as a portable, I have 2 docks so I can easily switch tv's if I want. The switch tends to be much faster at turning on and getting into a game. The big advantage the switch has for me is adaptability. I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels this way.



Shiken said:
WhatATimeToBeAlive said:

But the point is that majority of people don't view them equally viable. And how are Xbox and PS4 equally viable, when PS4 has more exlusives that are objectively better?

Much like how someone might value portability, someone could also value 360 BC, Gamepass, or want the best 4k gaming experience available with the X.  Honestly it seems like this has more to do with you trying to put PS4 on a pedestal rather than acknowledging why many people might choose another console instead of the PS4 TBH.

I have already acknowledged that millions of people would choose Switch as their primary/only console, but I don't agree that majority would view Switch and PS4 (and Xbox) equally viable.



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Wyrdness said:
WhatATimeToBeAlive said:

You didn't answer these two:

Where are those 2018 Switch AA games with 80-90+ rating?

What are those Switch AA games with similar development costs (not counting marketing costs) as Just Cause 4?

 

Is Monster Hunter World not AAA?

 

God of War?

Detroit?

 

Spider-Man?

Shadow of the Tomb Raider?

Assassin's Creed Odyssey?

Forza Horizon 4?

Call of Duty?

Battlefield V?

Red Dead Redemption 2?

 

Once you have decided that which of those games are not AAA, can you name those 15 AAA games from 2017, and also those 10 rated 90+?

"2007 had 50 AAA games." So you keep making numbers from thin air? I wonder why?

The list is right there for you, Valkyria 4, Valkyria remaster, Civ6, Octopath, TWEWY R, Dark Souls R, Fortnite, Ys, Child of Light, Diablo 3, Wolfenstein 2, DQ Builders, DBFZ, Both South Park RPGs etc... the list is right there for you if you don't want to read it it's not my problem. AA games aren't as defined by budget either they're mid tier games of decent commercial standing considered worth while purchases in a library so don't require the need to have the same budget as JC this part alone in your post has me wondering if you understand what you're trying to argue tbh.

What about MH? are you sure you know what you're arguing at this point or understand the points being put forward to you as this part is all random and has no context to it.

Those numbers aren't out of thin air the very site I linked you backs them and that's going by your very own logic you've yet to debunk any of this and I can name those 15 AAA in 2007 easily in fact having checked the are actually 16 and 13 of them are 90 or above (marked with *).

Bioshock*
CODMW*
Team Fortress 2*
Portal*
Halo 3*
GOW2*
ES:Oblivion*
Mass Effect*
Crysis*
Rock Band*
Half Life 2:EP2*
Forza*
Uncharted
Assassin's Creed
Project Gotham
GH2*

"AAA are diminishing in not only release numbers but what set them apart lets look at 2017 where the were 15 actual AAA titles for the time 10 of which average 90+ and these were along side a tonne of AA titles, now days the are less releases from AAA and AA titles are going blow for blow with in everything but budget that's a sign of diminishing."

Well, that's the issue (you said 2017 instead of 2007).

2007 was infact a good year, but surely Team Fortress 2 and Portal don't count as AAA by your standards? Even I wouldn't count them as AAA. Rock Band and Guitar Hero 2 are also a bit questionable. At least they are not raditional games. Games back then were also usually reviewed less harshly, and these days AAA/AA games are much more expensive to make.

And when you are trying to put games like Just Cause 4 and Octopath in the same AA category, it would be  as silly if I would put BotW and Nex Machina in the same category with each other.

How are those AA games that you mentioned about as good as for example God of War or RDR2? Smaller games also aren't rated with the same standards as big games.

Monster Hunter World is AAA. Or do I have the wrong standards again?



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