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Is one big game for an entire year acceptable?

Yes. 1 1.52%
 
No. 30 45.45%
 
It isn't the only big game this year. 35 53.03%
 
Total:66
Medisti said: Bloodborne is the only exclusive on that list. At least Switch has two.

Disgaea 5 was exclusive at the time. 



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Cerebralbore101 said:
Shaunodon said:

LOL

I think you need to have another good, hard look at the lineups for PS4 and Xbone their first couple years.

PS4's second year... 

MGSV
Witcher 3
Bloodborne
Fallout 4
Batman Arkham Knight
Mortal Kombat X
Black Ops III
Disgaea 5

Switch's second year...
Octopath Traveler
Travis Strikes Back
Valkyria Chronicles 4

I only listed games that were new releases (not ports, not crossgen, not remasters, and not delayed from another platform), 3rd party, and not indies. See how PS4 has significantly more 3rd party support for its second year? 

Any other specific rules you wanna mention (and not follow)?
Is it allowed to be released on a Friday with a southwesterly and a slight chance of rain?



Cerebralbore101 said:
Shaunodon said:

LOL

I think you need to have another good, hard look at the lineups for PS4 and Xbone their first couple years.

PS4's second year... 

MGSV
Witcher 3
Bloodborne
Fallout 4
Batman Arkham Knight
Mortal Kombat X
Black Ops III
Disgaea 5

Switch's second year...
Octopath Traveler
Travis Strikes Back
Valkyria Chronicles 4

I only listed games that were new releases (not ports, not crossgen, not remasters, and not delayed from another platform), 3rd party, and not indies. See how PS4 has significantly more 3rd party support for its second year? 

Mega Man 11

Sonic Team Racing

Starlink Battle for Atlas

My Hero: One's Justice

Warriors Orochi 4

Yokai Watch 4

Are also some notable ones, not that Nintendo consoles have to depend on third partys as much as Sony or Microsoft ones.

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RolStoppable said:
VGPolyglot said:

You broke your own rule yet again... Black Ops III and MGSV are crossgen titles.

Also, Bloodborne isn't third party.

Furthermore, Arkham Knight and Disgaea 5 sucked, so they need to be taken off the list.

Well, I have no idea how he is determining third-party, From are third-party but Sony owns the IP.



The problem is here is with the way some of the logic is being thrown around. There seems to be a bit of goal post moving. One minute the argument is about Switch/Nintendo not having any big games this year(other than Smash), then when called out on it with a list of Indies,first party,third party ports, the argument switches to ''well those don't count because I don't consider them big'' or ''Late ports don't count''. We can't have it multiple ways here. Its one of the other.

That's the thing about games being subjective. What's big to you or me isn't necessarily big to someone else and vice versa in the other direction, a game myself or someone else finds insignificant and small might not be that way for someone else. All down to personal opinion and no facts are involved, only emotions and feelings based off our own perspective of what we feel is right.

Is the OP wrong? not necessarily. Again thats just something opinion based, even though, I, myself, disagree. However it's his personal opinion based off his own likes and dislikes, so that does not inherently make him wrong or even right factually. I personally do not find Smash to be this years ''big AAA title'' whatsoever and that's because I'm not a huge fan of the franchise as a whole, I think its fun but overrated. Now other people will rip that up and be mad at it and thats fine because thats the beauty of subjective and opinions, we all have one and in our own minds, we are all correct.

TLDR version:

At the end of the day were bickering over something that's entirely fickle and meaningless. It's all subjective and nothing factual can be found as far as what's ''big'' and what games ''matter''. The only truth here is that Switch doesn't have a drought,Switch DOES have a ton of games this year, The only thing that separates us atm is whether they're ''big'' or ''meaningful'' or not and in the end, that's just down to our own needs,self wants only. This does not have a definitive answer. So hopefully we can continue simmering down and talk about the games we actually are looking forward to rather than griping about them, because when we do that, it leaves us less time to play our games!

PS. I lied. That wasn't a TLDR version.



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PwerlvlAmy said:
The problem is here is with the way some of the logic is being thrown around. There seems to be a bit of goal post moving. One minute the argument is about Switch/Nintendo not having any big games this year(other than Smash), then when called out on it with a list of Indies,first party,third party ports, the argument switches to ''well those don't count because I don't consider them big'' or ''Late ports don't count''. We can't have it multiple ways here. Its one of the other.

That's the thing about games being subjective. What's big to you or me isn't necessarily big to someone else and vice versa in the other direction, a game myself or someone else finds insignificant and small might not be that way for someone else. All down to personal opinion and no facts are involved, only emotions and feelings based off our own perspective of what we feel is right.

Is the OP wrong? not necessarily. Again thats just something opinion based, even though, I, myself, disagree. However it's his personal opinion based off his own likes and dislikes, so that does not inherently make him wrong or even right factually. I personally do not find Smash to be this years ''big AAA title'' whatsoever and that's because I'm not a huge fan of the franchise as a whole, I think its fun but overrated. Now other people will rip that up and be mad at it and thats fine because thats the beauty of subjective and opinions, we all have one and in our own minds, we are all correct.

TLDR version:

At the end of the day were bickering over something that's entirely fickle and meaningless. It's all subjective and nothing factual can be found as far as what's ''big'' and what games ''matter''. The only truth here is that Switch doesn't have a drought,Switch DOES have a ton of games this year, The only thing that separates us atm is whether they're ''big'' or ''meaningful'' or not and in the end, that's just down to our own needs,self wants only. This does not have a definitive answer. So hopefully we can continue simmering down and talk about the games we actually are looking forward to rather than griping about them, because when we do that, it leaves us less time to play our games!

PS. I lied. That wasn't a TLDR version.

Your TLDR needs a TLDR haha.



Pokémon Go being a "big game" is funny. Big because it will sell? Or in terms of budget and quality? If that's the "big game" Nintendo have to offer, I don't even want to see the small games.

It's a shame that Nintendo went from BotW and Mario Odyssey to basically nothing, but honestly, did anyone expect them to release games of that caliber in 2018 or even 2019? They can't, they don't have the manpower. And without 3rd party support, Nintendo consoles are doomed to be that indie machine with small casual games like Mario Party, Just Dance, Mario Tennis and the ocasional Pokémon with chibi artstyle that might as well be a smartphone game. Maybe in two or three years they will have another big and relevant game, but I wouldn't count on that, development takes time.



Cerebralbore101 said:
Shaunodon said:

LOL

I think you need to have another good, hard look at the lineups for PS4 and Xbone their first couple years.

PS4's second year... 

Witcher 3
MLB 15: The Show 
Bloodborne
The Order 1886
Until Dawn

Fallout 4
Batman Arkham Knight
Mortal Kombat X
Disgaea 5

Switch's second year...
Kirby Star Allies
Labo
Mario Tennis Aces

Octopath Traveler
Super Mario Party
Pokemon Let's Go
Smash Bros.

Travis Strikes Back
Valkyria Chronicles 4

I only listed games that were new releases (not ports, not crossgen, not remasters, and not delayed from another platform), 3rd party, and not indies. See how PS4 has significantly more 3rd party support for its second year? 

That being said though, Switch annihilated PS4 in a first year comparison. Mostly because of a great 1st party lineup. Switch 2017 blew me away. 

If the bolded part is true, than you need to take Metal Gear Solid V and Black Ops 3 off your list because those were crossgen.
If you're going to include Bloodborne, which was a PS4 exclusive, then why not include all the other PS4 exclusives that came out in the PS4's 2nd year along with the Switch exclusives in the 2nd year? 

Word of advise going forward, when you pick a rule to base your argument on, make sure you: A) Do your proper research to support your rule. B) Stick to it.



RolStoppable said:
VGPolyglot said:

You broke your own rule yet again... Black Ops III and MGSV are crossgen titles.

Also, Bloodborne isn't third party.

Furthermore, Arkham Knight and Disgaea 5 sucked, so they need to be taken off the list.

BO3 on PS3/360 only had multiplayer. The PS3 and PS4 versions were not the same game. 

I took Bayonetta 2 off the list of my last thread, because it wasn't entirely first party. So for Bloodborne I'll have to include it, in order to stick to the same rules. 

But yes, MGSV was on PS3. Forgot about that one. 

PS4's second year... 


Witcher 3
Bloodborne
Fallout 4
Batman Arkham Knight
Mortal Kombat X
Black Ops III
Disgaea 5

Switch's second year...
Octopath Traveler
Travis Strikes Back
Valkyria Chronicles 4



Maybe I'm just crazy, but this year is looking a lot more stacked for me. Xenoblade 2 DLC looks incredible, Smash and Pokemon look fun, and I have Tales of Vesperia, Valkyria Chronicles 4, and Ys VIII pre-ordered on Switch.

Sure there's a lot of ports, but if I haven't played it, it's new to me!



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