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Forums - Politics Discussion - Israel 70 years celebration & US opens embassy in Jerusalem, lethal clashes erupt

KLAMarine said:
All this hubbub over some place. What's so great about Jerusalem anyways?

Basically their are narratives over 1000 years old that the Jews are to be eternally condemned for rejecting Jesus and Mohamed and their loss of Jerusalem is the main symbol of that.  Jews having their old capital of Jerusalem throws that assumption into turmoil and therefore must be fought against.  If Israel didn't claim Jerusalem then the Arab world wouldn't care about the city.



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Aeolus451 said:
Israel is there to stay and Jerusalem is their capital. End of story.

Demographics from 1517 have the Israelis at a measly 1.7% of Jerusalem's total population. Centuries later , 1918 records show the population of Jerusalem to be almost 91.9% Palestinian. Israelis numbered 60,000 out of 660,000 citizens. In 1946 Israelis were approximately 30% of Jerusalem's population and by 1948 they somehow became the majority at 82.1% in the space of two years. 

 

Such violent population shifts do not happen peacefully. Nor do they portray an "end of story" situation. Palestinians are being displaced or exterminated for nearly 70 years already. This is not anti-Semitism. Yes the situation is complex. Yes Palestinian resistance is hardly benign. Yes they commit regular acts of terrorism. Nothing is simple in politics.



Helloplite said:
Aeolus451 said:
Israel is there to stay and Jerusalem is their capital. End of story.

Demographics from 1517 have the Israelis at a measly 1.7% of Jerusalem's total population. Centuries later , 1918 records show the population of Jerusalem to be almost 91.9% Palestinian. Israelis numbered 60,000 out of 660,000 citizens. In 1946 Israelis were approximately 30% of Jerusalem's population and by 1948 they somehow became the majority at 82.1% in the space of two years. 

 

Such violent population shifts do not happen peacefully. Nor do they portray an "end of story" situation. Palestinians are being displaced or exterminated for nearly 70 years already. This is not anti-Semitism. Yes the situation is complex. Yes Palestinian resistance is hardly benign. Yes they commit regular acts of terrorism. Nothing is simple in politics.

 It was owned by jews a long time before that. They have it now and they're doing wonders with it. They managed to keep it all in spite of hostile neighbours. They're closer to our values and we're already committed to that course so I'm inclined to support them over the Palestinians who are endorsing terrorism.



I tried to figure out what all this stuff is about and which of them has the right to this land. They even went so far and invented an almighty God which tells them that this land belongs to them.

This is a never ending clash supported by idiots and idiotic believes. Maybe dropping a bomb on that place and annihilating everything there is would lead to piece.



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Helloplite said:
Aeolus451 said:
Israel is there to stay and Jerusalem is their capital. End of story.

Demographics from 1517 have the Israelis at a measly 1.7% of Jerusalem's total population. Centuries later , 1918 records show the population of Jerusalem to be almost 91.9% Palestinian. Israelis numbered 60,000 out of 660,000 citizens. In 1946 Israelis were approximately 30% of Jerusalem's population and by 1948 they somehow became the majority at 82.1% in the space of two years. 

 

Such violent population shifts do not happen peacefully. Nor do they portray an "end of story" situation. Palestinians are being displaced or exterminated for nearly 70 years already. This is not anti-Semitism. Yes the situation is complex. Yes Palestinian resistance is hardly benign. Yes they commit regular acts of terrorism. Nothing is simple in politics.

This is almost 100% wrong.  Jews were a majority in Jerusalem starting at a certain period sometime in the 19th century.  How early or late in the 19th century is up for dispute, but there is no dispute whatsoever that Jews were a majority in Jerusalem by 1918.  If you mean the entire land of Israel/Palestine instead of Jerusalem, then you might have a point.  But for Jerusalem your figures are garbage.

 

As for the overall population shifts, while there was definitely violence, it was instigated each time by the Arab side.  The 1920 pogroms caused the formation of the Hagganah and the 1929 massacres, including the destruction of the 3,000 year old Jewish community of Hebron, caused the formation of the Irgun.   That's not to say they didn't have a right to protest immigration policies, but had there been no Arab violence, there would have been no counter-violence and no refugees.

And during the period of the British Mandate, the Arab population itself doubled from around 600,000 to 1.2 million.



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Mainstream media trying to pin this on Trump despite that these Riots have been going on for a month, I support Israel over Hamas. Also Israel has a right to name it's own Capital.



Isreal are murderes,yet no nation does anything about it!
They should have learned from ww2,but now they are doing the same.



 

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tokilamockingbrd said:
Ka-pi96 said:
One of the worst countries in the world. Absolutely disgusting the things they've done to the Palestinians!

Very anti-sematic of you. Palestinian children are literally brainwashed in school that is Israel is evil and they should be wiped off the face of the earth. Is there little wonder why they grow up into adults incapable of co-existing with Israelis? 

You do realise it’s exactly the same in Israel? They are even more nationalist and brain washed than the Americans.

Israel actually is behaving evil down there. Would you just accept it and not fight back if it was your land, your country and you were forced to live in a prison under constant attack? 



forest-spirit said:
And he was so close to getting that Nobel Peace Price. But I guess that's smart, Peace Prices are for sissies and you can't have a sissy on the throne.

Moving an embassy to the capital of your ally doesn't justify the response its received.



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EspadaGrim said:

Mainstream media trying to pin this on Trump despite that these Riots have been going on for a month, I support Israel over Hamas. Also Israel has a right to name it's own Capital.

Not when it’s such a conflicted area. Reason why the rest of the world doesn’t acknowledge it, besides that orange imbecile. You are aware of the fact that Trump’s acknowledgement happened over a month ago, right?