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Forums - Nintendo Discussion - Labo is a huge ripoff and a waste of a great concept (so far)

DonFerrari on 09 May 2018
Mandalore76 said:
DonFerrari said:

Then we should dismiss all said here as representation of the fanbase?

But considering how much the "evergreen" of Nintendo sell at full price for several years, I would say that at large the user base support the practice.

I merely caution that video game forum posters are not representative of the video game buying public at large.  To think so is folly.

To your claim of Nintendo being "greedy", their sole business is to sell video games.  It's not a side venture where they also sell computers, movies, dvds, music cds, televisions, etc.  They don't do annual releases of titles like Call of Duty, Fifa, Madden, Assassin's Creed, etc where they would need to slash prices to get rid of old stock and make room the next title.  They do, however, have a Nintendo Selects line with reduced pricing for their best selling games same as Sony and Microsoft have with "Greatest Hits/Essentials" and "Platinum Hits/Xbox Classics". 

This doesn't mean that I agree with all of Nintendo's pricing decisions.  Their chosen price point for Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze would be a good example of that.  I bought the game on Wii U, but will not be buying it on Switch.

Sure the forum doesn't equate all, but since we can't listen to the ones that aren't talking that is kinda of a useless point. And for that I addressed the sales as general which seems to have a nice and steady sales over the years without a price cut so as I said, the fanbase seem to approve of the practice.

They do release a lot of games every year and I would probably be right if I supposed Fifa, Madden, AC and others cost more to make than what Nintendo makes, some sell less and most at lower price. And no company thinks "oww since I also sell VCR I guess I should take a loss or make low profits on the gaming division". So even if you want to write off EVERY OTHER COMPANY ON THE MARKET inventing an excuse for each, the fact remains that Nintendo is the one that keeps the price high and customers approve of it. And Nintendo select unless I'm quite wrong takes a lot longer to be released.

Should perhaps look at the practices of Nintendo from the NES/SNES days that will also show you a lot of greedy and tyrant practices of Nintendo that dates back all the way.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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DonFerrari on 09 May 2018
Malt4zar said:
So let me try to rationalize this.

OP bought a thing, he didn't like said thing.

OP was feeling buyer's remorse, so he made a thread calling the thing a "rip-off".

OP allegedly says he was highly in favor for the thing after watching the initial reveal trailer, so it's safe to say he knew enough about the product beforehand.

Conclusion: Labo isn't the problem here, you just had unrealistic expectations for a product you thought you were on board with and realized too late that it just wasn't the thing for you.

And you say he have unrealistic expectations because his opinion can't be right and the price can't be said to be excessive considering the cost and value of said product?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Nem on 09 May 2018

I can't say i'm surprised. I never really understood the appeal, outside of being a really expensive carboard set up for children.



Malt4zar on 09 May 2018
DonFerrari said:
Malt4zar said:
So let me try to rationalize this.

OP bought a thing, he didn't like said thing.

OP was feeling buyer's remorse, so he made a thread calling the thing a "rip-off".

OP allegedly says he was highly in favor for the thing after watching the initial reveal trailer, so it's safe to say he knew enough about the product beforehand.

Conclusion: Labo isn't the problem here, you just had unrealistic expectations for a product you thought you were on board with and realized too late that it just wasn't the thing for you.

And you say he have unrealistic expectations because his opinion can't be right and the price can't be said to be excessive considering the cost and value of said product?

He paid full price for the variety kit, so he clearly thought at the time that was the right decision. He  then played it, and didn't like it. I can respect and relate to that 100%.

 

How is that considered a rip-off?


The price being to high or not and the said valuable of the game is completely subjective, of course.



zippy on 10 May 2018

I have spent loads of time with my daughter building and playing the Labo kits. We have shared a mutual interest in something and the bonding process has been amazing, so much love. Personally speaking you cant put a price on that. To me and my daughter Labo is a worthwhile experience.



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DonFerrari on 10 May 2018
Malt4zar said:
DonFerrari said:

And you say he have unrealistic expectations because his opinion can't be right and the price can't be said to be excessive considering the cost and value of said product?

He paid full price for the variety kit, so he clearly thought at the time that was the right decision. He  then played it, and didn't like it. I can respect and relate to that 100%.

 

How is that considered a rip-off?


The price being to high or not and the said valuable of the game is completely subjective, of course.

When the price and cost are very far apart there is a strong case for rip-off claim... so a cardboard box plus demos for 60+ is a great candidate.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Jumpin on 10 May 2018

It’s a toy, not a video game.

And that’s the “made for kids” part you aren’t getting - it’s like getting a doll house and trying to say that there’s really nothing there for videogame fans, but your daughter can sit there for hours and make up stories with it... (most) adults, we can’t do that anymore, not in any enjoyable capacity.

The price of admission is likely something Nintendo researched when they saw other similar cardboard products selling for huge amount of money (like the Minecraft stuff). While the initial shipment didn’t sell our right away, people are buying it at a fairly steady rate.



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Mandalore76 on 10 May 2018
DonFerrari said:
Mandalore76 said:

I merely caution that video game forum posters are not representative of the video game buying public at large.  To think so is folly.

To your claim of Nintendo being "greedy", their sole business is to sell video games.  It's not a side venture where they also sell computers, movies, dvds, music cds, televisions, etc.  They don't do annual releases of titles like Call of Duty, Fifa, Madden, Assassin's Creed, etc where they would need to slash prices to get rid of old stock and make room the next title.  They do, however, have a Nintendo Selects line with reduced pricing for their best selling games same as Sony and Microsoft have with "Greatest Hits/Essentials" and "Platinum Hits/Xbox Classics". 

This doesn't mean that I agree with all of Nintendo's pricing decisions.  Their chosen price point for Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze would be a good example of that.  I bought the game on Wii U, but will not be buying it on Switch.

Sure the forum doesn't equate all, but since we can't listen to the ones that aren't talking that is kinda of a useless point. And for that I addressed the sales as general which seems to have a nice and steady sales over the years without a price cut so as I said, the fanbase seem to approve of the practice.

They do release a lot of games every year and I would probably be right if I supposed Fifa, Madden, AC and others cost more to make than what Nintendo makes, some sell less and most at lower price. And no company thinks "oww since I also sell VCR I guess I should take a loss or make low profits on the gaming division". So even if you want to write off EVERY OTHER COMPANY ON THE MARKET inventing an excuse for each, the fact remains that Nintendo is the one that keeps the price high and customers approve of it. And Nintendo select unless I'm quite wrong takes a lot longer to be released.

Should perhaps look at the practices of Nintendo from the NES/SNES days that will also show you a lot of greedy and tyrant practices of Nintendo that dates back all the way.

Those practices seem tyrannical when viewed through a pinhole, until you see that they were necessary in order to revive the video game market in North America.  Atari, which had no such restrictive measures in place allowed the 2600 to drown in a glut of shovelware that turned consumers off from video games for almost half a decade (the video game market in NA crashed in 1983, the NES exploded in popularity 87-88, peaking in 88-89).



DonFerrari on 10 May 2018
Mandalore76 said:
DonFerrari said:

Sure the forum doesn't equate all, but since we can't listen to the ones that aren't talking that is kinda of a useless point. And for that I addressed the sales as general which seems to have a nice and steady sales over the years without a price cut so as I said, the fanbase seem to approve of the practice.

They do release a lot of games every year and I would probably be right if I supposed Fifa, Madden, AC and others cost more to make than what Nintendo makes, some sell less and most at lower price. And no company thinks "oww since I also sell VCR I guess I should take a loss or make low profits on the gaming division". So even if you want to write off EVERY OTHER COMPANY ON THE MARKET inventing an excuse for each, the fact remains that Nintendo is the one that keeps the price high and customers approve of it. And Nintendo select unless I'm quite wrong takes a lot longer to be released.

Should perhaps look at the practices of Nintendo from the NES/SNES days that will also show you a lot of greedy and tyrant practices of Nintendo that dates back all the way.

Those practices seem tyrannical when viewed through a pinhole, until you see that they were necessary in order to revive the video game market in North America.  Atari, which had no such restrictive measures in place allowed the 2600 to drown in a glut of shovelware that turned consumers off from video games for almost half a decade (the video game market in NA crashed in 1983, the NES exploded in popularity 87-88, peaking in 88-89).

Sorry but there is a complete middle ground between the tyrannic practices of Nintendo (which as positive effect made publishers open a lot of subsidiaries to launch more games) and the complete lack of control and quality. And Nintendo kept a lot of those on SNES (which was already past the market crash) and some bad practices they kept for even longer... the high price and low cost they still keep.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

RaptorChrist on 10 May 2018

So yeah, you're paying $70 for cardboard... But can't you say the same about all videogames; just swap out cardboard for plastic (the disc).

Not saying your points aren't valid, but it's just been bugging me a bit to see people not make that connection.

I haven't bought Labo yet, and I may never (at the price it's currently at). I'd love to get it and put it together with my daughter, but it doesn't look like these are things meant to be taken apart, and I have little room to store extra boxes, so it would likely get thrown away. Can't imagine people wanting to buy a used Labo kit, but who knows...