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Sales Numbers Less Important compared to the last two Generations?

Yes, a lot less important 5 11.36%
 
Yes, a bit less important 10 22.73%
 
No, a bit more important now 17 38.64%
 
No, a lot more important now 12 27.27%
 
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fatslob-:O said:
CGI-Quality said:
Well, we still have an overwhelming market leader (PS4). Part of the difference is last time, it wasn't just the Wii that was exciting to talk about. The 360 and PS3's close war was such a fun thing to discuss and see.

This generation is more like the 6th (barring the anomaly that is the Switch). The PS4 is so far ahead of its closest rival (the Xbox One) that such a "battle" isn't worth discussion. So the games are doing much more talking.

If you could even call the Switch an "anomaly" since your comparison from this generation to 6th generation forgets to factor in the GBA ... 

I didn't forget the GBA, because I was talking specifically about home consoles. Yes, I know the Switch is a hybrid, but it is still a home console.

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CGI-Quality said:

I didn't forget the GBA, because I was talking specifically about home consoles. Yes, I know the Switch is a hybrid, but it is still a home console.

I wouldn't even argue "hybrid" since home and portable systems are mutually exclusive in terms of form factor and Nintendo intentionally designed it to be such, a portable system plus the Switch doesn't have any functionality that would distinguish it as a hybrid compared to other recognized portable systems like the Vita ... 



fatslob-:O said:
CGI-Quality said:

I didn't forget the GBA, because I was talking specifically about home consoles. Yes, I know the Switch is a hybrid, but it is still a home console.

I wouldn't even argue "hybrid" since home and portable systems are mutually exclusive in terms of form factor and Nintendo intentionally designed it to be such, a portable system plus the Switch doesn't have any functionality that would distinguish it as a hybrid compared to other recognized portable systems like the Vita ... 

You have a knack for technicalities.

Overall, it's irrelevant to my point to him. 

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CGI-Quality said:

You have a knack for technicalities.

Overall, it's irrelevant to my point to him. 

Up we go within spec I say ...  

And maybe it is irrelevant but there's still a precedent for it ... 



AlfredoTurkey said:
Sales info first became a big deal during the SNES and Genesis war. Each generation since, internet warriors have waged mortal warfare based on how much their piece of plastic sold etc. As long as that info is out there, the war will wage on for all eternity. It will not end until consoles end.

That definitely wasn't the case with the 4th gen consoles as Sega had never released official numbers and Nintendo used to publish units shipped per each FY, only to publish total sales figures later on, making monthly or even annual sales tracking impossible or highly inaccurate in the best case scenario. The Genesis LT numbers differ by almost 10 million, depending on the source. Even if you take most optimistic figure, which is 40 million, the margin of error is huge. 



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Kristof81 said:
AlfredoTurkey said:
Sales info first became a big deal during the SNES and Genesis war. Each generation since, internet warriors have waged mortal warfare based on how much their piece of plastic sold etc. As long as that info is out there, the war will wage on for all eternity. It will not end until consoles end.

That definitely wasn't the case with the 4th gen consoles as Sega had never released official numbers and Nintendo used to publish units shipped per each FY, only to publish total sales figures later on, making monthly or even annual sales tracking impossible or highly inaccurate in the best case scenario. The Genesis LT numbers differ by almost 10 million, depending on the source. Even if you take most optimistic figure, which is 40 million, the margin of error is huge. 

I can remember arguing about it as a kid though. Genesis was winning in the US until Saturn came out and Sega shifted gears and lost their fucking mind. As a result of that, it was the first generation where people were bragging about sales, games... in general is was the beginning of the whole "my plastic thing is better than your plastic thing" way of thinking. 



They are no long hot because they are so old. There was a time when this site had figures a couple of weeks old.

 

Now here we are second week of January 2018 I see the console sales is second week in November 2017  on the front page.



Overwhelming hardware leader? Yeah, we have that... it's the PS4 and sales are awesome as long as it's dominating



Bet Shiken that COD would outsell Battlefield in 2018. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8749702

existenz2 said:

They are no long hot because they are so old. There was a time when this site had figures a couple of weeks old.

 

Now here we are second week of January 2018 I see the console sales is second week in November 2017  on the front page.

You mean second week of December?



                                                                                                                                            

robzo100 said:

The Wii Era, in my opinion, was the first time that Sales Figures became a front-and-center topic in the industry. I think it was a mix of a revolution in gaming control schemes(motion), an overwhelming hardware leader(Wii), and online gaming communities having established themselves(compared to the 2000 console era). So, for starters, do you agree with that premise?

But now, it seems that the topic has fizzled out. In part because the revolution of the mainstream motion controls was no longer "new". Secondly, motion controls actually were phased out surprisingly, partly because Nintendo literally took away the wii-motes! Agree/Disagree?

So now the Switch has dominated in a big way, and yet the kind of excitement we saw during the Wii era doesn't seem to match. I'm not saying it's not high, I just don't see the match. Is that just me or is it simply the same level of hype but expressed differently? For example, the college experience back then was a group of people getting together to play Wii Bowling, an experience that I haven't seen replicated on the Switch.

Not necessarily a Nintendo-specific topic, but is interesting to me that "Sales" are no longer the hot topic they used to be. I think the way people interact with each other in society is responsible, as entertainment phenomenon's have an important social element to them, and I definitely see societal glue becoming "thinner" Last note is that I'm not currently an engaged gamer as I don't own any current gen systems, but I still follow the industry very closely and am passionate about Nintendo in general.

I wasn't around on the site during the Wii era, but considering the revolutionary aspect of the Wii's motion control mechanics, its appeal to 'non-gamers' and the runaway success of its sales, I'd be surprised if the relationship between those things weren't a major topic of discussion.

Having said that, I disagree with the idea that the  status of motion controls has any impact on the way sales topics are being discussed on VGChartz today. There were plenty of heated discussion surrounding the Wii U's failure to live up to expectations and dissecting the reasons for that failure. Motion controls was not a new thing then. There was plenty of heated discussion at the time the PS4 and XBox 1 were released.

IMO the major reason for the lull in sales discussion around here was because of the failure for regular numbers updates and other features on the site.

In answer to your third question, I think it is just you. Switch is just the next chapter in the Nintendo story, just as the current Sony/Microsoft consoles are in theirs. Nintendo seems to deliberately not conform to specific generations, both in the timing of their releases and technical specifications, making it difficult to make meaningful comparisons. (Example: Wii U doesn't even feature in last generation platforms tab on the home page) 

Numbers are being updated regularly again (albeit a bit further behind than before). There's plenty to talk about. According to the numbers, Switch has achieved 10 mil retail sales in the first 10 months of its life.  But it's still not touching the > 1 mil per week pre-holiday sales that have now taken the PS4 past the lifetime sales of the 3DS.

And with the regular update of the numbers, there's always the accuracy of the numbers to debate.

There's an option missing from the poll - which would have been for "Just as important". That would have been the one I voted for.

Now I can't speak for internet wide discussions, as this is the only forum I visit for gaming. But if you can point to examples supporting your observations I'd be interested to read.