I fully agree, and that's my biggest beef with TLJ. They had a character who was ripe for a character arc, and they instead chose to focus on Mary Sue. You had someone recovering from a server injury with a lot of cowardice, but the will to overcome it when the chips are down... And they chose to follow someone who is apparently even more chosen than Anakin.

I'm curious as to why you think this movie is succumbing to the "hate bandwagon" and not TFA (which was admittedly more safe, but also a much better movie?)

I tend to think the opposite of what you say will be true. That now it's getting love because it's brand spanking new and succumbing to hype from the Disney machine, but time tends to tell the story in the end, and I think the more time that passes (especially when TLJ gets lost in the clutter of a new Star Wars movie every year), more and more people will begin to dislike it, or at least won't remember it as fondly anymore.

At the end of the day, if it's getting all this hate in the first place, especially when TFA received very little, not to mention has seen a historic dropoff at the box office, that's probably not a good sign.

Again, I don't see why people need to try and convince others that this movie is so good. If it's as good as you say, shouldn't that be enough? Part of me thinks people are in fact just doing it to convince THEMSELVES, another bad sign..

By definition Rey isn’t a Mary Sue.  Seriously, she wanted to abandon her friends to wait at Jakku in case her parents decide to come back.  But I think you missed Finns story.  His was about all about trying to leave the conflict, and throughout the entire movie he had rose trying to convince him to stay with the resistance and the code breaker trying to convince him to leave.  And at the end he ultimately decided that he was done, and wanted to end it all before rose saved his life.  Now was this story executed well, maybe not, but he absolutely did have a real character arc, one that I personally enjoyed a lot.

You really need to read up on the definition of a Mary Sue. Wanting to go back to Jakku doesn't have anything to do with it.

And Finn was wasted in favor of the Mary Sue. He could have had a subplot overcoming his fear culminating in a rematch with Adam  Driver's awful interpretation of a Sith. Instead, he has been relegated to an unimportant status by virtue of "Everyone focus on the Mary Sue".

If you want to discuss how Rey is or isn't a Mary Sue, you'll have to read my post a few pages back.

I don't think it has been stated in the sequel trilogy that Kylo Ren is a Sith Lord.

"Dark Jedi", I don't care enough about Kylie to use the correct phrasing.

If they would have gone out to find Jedi to train, they would have been caught and killed. Remember the OG trilogy never spelled out exactly how the Republic fell, or exactly how the Clone Wars went down, or exactly how Vader hunted down all the Jedi. As an audience (watching the films before the prequel movies came out) we have no clue what happened, and this lack of information means we can't really judge Yoda or Obi Wan. On the flip side we know exactly what happened with Luke, so we are left in the perfect position to judge him. 

I don't think people really grasp how much the prequel movies messed up the Star Wars canon. Before those movies, Vader, Obi Wan, Yoda, and Palpatine were thought to have been over 100 years old, with the force keeping them alive. Uncle Owen was understood to have been in his 70's, and a much younger half brother to Vader (or perhaps not even truly related). The rise of the Empire was so catastrophic that virtually all history before the rise of the Empire was lost. This is why Han Solo calls the Force a hokey religion. Once you throw the prequels into the mix, this mythos is destroyed, and suddenly Han would have been alive during the clone wars, meaning his skepticism towards the Force would have made zero sense. 

Star Wars EU rarely ever touched on what happened shortly before the Empire, because that was supposed to be left up to the reader. It's the same thing with how, Wolverine's past was left to mystery for so many years. Mystery is part of what makes things cool, and a lot of times pulling back the veil ruins things. 

What are you talking about? The prequel movies are made by the same person that made the OG Star Wars. You are talking about speculations, not canon. Since you are judging the newer films by the measure of what was set up in the older films, you are dependent upon also judging the older films according to what was canon, which is what was set up in the prequel trilogy.

According to your argument, we should also be harsh in our judgement of episode 5 and 6 since they were only planned AFTER it turned out Star Wars was succesful (the "a new hope" was added later and a trilogy wasn´t planned). Speculation is that Vader wasn´t supposed to be Lukes and Leias father and Luke wasn´t supposed to be related to Leia. Or is there some sort of magic time limit of when a sequel is regarded as canon to you?

Considering that you think wanting to back to Jakku doesn’t have anything to do with a Mary Sue, you obviously don’t know what a Mary Sue is.  Also Adam driver isn’t a Sith, that has yet to be stated in this trilogy.  Considering you think Finn overcoming fear is his arc, you weren’t paying attention at all.  You have made it quite clear that you don’t understand these characters.  Please watch the movies again, and do some research before posting again.  It will do us all a favor.

The defense of the Mary Sue thing is probably the one of the most bizarre parts of this.  She fits the description to a T.  But, because people feel the need to like the film and/or because the media and Hollywood have taken the stance that if you call her a Mary Sue you are sexist, people are afraid to label her what she is.  They either give weak reasons, claim Luke is one then (probably the worse offense), or just call you sexist, "You just don't like having a girl in the treehouse."  All strawman arguments.  The truth is, Rey would be just as unlikable as a man.  In fact, it's the reason that people hated the young Anakin in TPM.  Fortunately, Lucas had the insight to fix that in the future episodes, where here they just made it worse, which has brought more people over to the side of her being a Mary Sue.

Really, if we weren't in such a heightened political climate, I think even more people would admit that they recognize she is a Mary Sue, which would probably take their enjoyment of this movie down a notch or two.