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Lucas-Rio said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Oh "The marvel/disney crowd" lol Good excuse

It gets slaughtered by the most noisy and probably childlike fans, the reality is many Star Wars fans loved the movie, and you don't need to go far to see this, even George Lucas was positive about it

Almost all youtube analysis are clashing the movie, you found out the two fringe people who are saying the opposite. Ratings don't lie, failing legs at the BO also don't lie after a great start, it has bad word of mouth.

Lucas isn"t saying anything because he probably a "don't speak too bad about us" clause in its sale contract with Disney.

This movie was Guardian of the Galaxy kind of movie, not Star Wars.

The movie has a 7.7 among 200k votes on IMDB and a 86 out of 54 critics on metacritic, no, those 2 are not the exception at all, I show you those cause they are pretty big in what they do, one in movie criticism and the other directing movies, not just 2 random fans with no clue about cinema.



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Lucas-Rio said:
hudsoniscool said:

No it's not going to make a 100 million this weekend, that probably includes Monday. We already know Friday so the weekend can be estimated. My 70-80 million was highballing. Box office mojo has it at 68-70. And no it's not the second fastest grossing movie. It's fallen behind Jurassic world. 

 

Your right it was never ever going to be bigger than TFA, but these drops are massive. It's on pace for 600 million Domestic and 1.3 billion worldwide. Star Wars is a bigger brand than Jurassic park, avengers and fast and furious if the movie was really good the box office would be higher.

People bringing up the good opening numbers at the box office miss the point. The movie obviously started well because of massive hype, massive expectations and very good professional reviews.

It doesn't telle anything about the quality of the movie. It tells nothing except that people going to the theater had great expectations. The problem is that the reception for people who have seen the movie have been poor, really poor even.

The RT and Metacritics are low. In other countries it's also the least liked Star Wars of all.

The box office legs are beginning to slow and that's probably because it as has a disastrous word of mouth.

Ya I think word of mouth is not helping it any. And honestly when TFA came out I followed it's box office wanting it to break all the records. With this one I find myself wanting it to do bad. Rian already killed my hype for 9, and I don't want him to have his own trilogy doing whatever he wants.id be fine with him directing more Star Wars. He's a very good director but I absolutely don't want him writing anything or coming up with any story ideas. 



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halo 5 will sell 10 million copies(including digital)

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Goodnightmoon said:
Lucas-Rio said:

Almost all youtube analysis are clashing the movie, you found out the two fringe people who are saying the opposite. Ratings don't lie, failing legs at the BO also don't lie after a great start, it has bad word of mouth.

Lucas isn"t saying anything because he probably a "don't speak too bad about us" clause in its sale contract with Disney.

This movie was Guardian of the Galaxy kind of movie, not Star Wars.

The movie has a 7.7 among 200k votes on IMDB and a 86 out of 54 critics on metacritic, no, those 2 are not the exception at all, I show you those cause they are pretty big in what they do, one in movie criticism and the other directing movies, not just 2 random fans with no clue about cinema.

7.7 isn't that good and IMDB is not raw data and ratings, it is being calculated .

On Metacritic, it's 4.7/10 for the people. On RT, it's 3.2/5 , with only 53% approbation rate. And as the time goes on, the scores are lowering a little.

As we have seen, the opinion of professional who are all friends with each others and supporting of each other are worthless in this case. That's the biggest rift between fans and professionnals.



Lucas-Rio said:
Goodnightmoon said:

The movie has a 7.7 among 200k votes on IMDB and a 86 out of 54 critics on metacritic, no, those 2 are not the exception at all, I show you those cause they are pretty big in what they do, one in movie criticism and the other directing movies, not just 2 random fans with no clue about cinema.

7.7 isn't that good and IMDB is not raw data and ratings, it is being calculated .

On Metacritic, it's 4.7/10 for the people. On RT, it's 3.2/5 , with only 53% approbation rate. And as the time goes on, the scores are lowering a little.

As we have seen, the opinion of professional who are all friends with each others and supporting of each other are worthless in this case. That's the biggest rift between fans and professionnals.

Stop moving the goalpost, a 7.7 is a great score specially when there is an horde of angry fans giving it the lowest possible score and Imdb has almost literally 50 times more votes than any of those pages you talk about so the sample is way more reliable.



hudsoniscool said:
Lucas-Rio said:

People bringing up the good opening numbers at the box office miss the point. The movie obviously started well because of massive hype, massive expectations and very good professional reviews.

It doesn't telle anything about the quality of the movie. It tells nothing except that people going to the theater had great expectations. The problem is that the reception for people who have seen the movie have been poor, really poor even.

The RT and Metacritics are low. In other countries it's also the least liked Star Wars of all.

The box office legs are beginning to slow and that's probably because it as has a disastrous word of mouth.

Ya I think word of mouth is not helping it any. And honestly when TFA came out I followed it's box office wanting it to break all the records. With this one I find myself wanting it to do bad. Rian already killed my hype for 9, and I don't want him to have his own trilogy doing whatever he wants.id be fine with him directing more Star Wars. He's a very good director but I absolutely don't want him writing anything or coming up with any story ideas. 

Honestly I won't even watch 9, unless 2 weeks after release I hear from fans than JJ Abrams have undone the failure of Johnson.



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Goodnightmoon said:
Lucas-Rio said:

7.7 isn't that good and IMDB is not raw data and ratings, it is being calculated .

On Metacritic, it's 4.7/10 for the people. On RT, it's 3.2/5 , with only 53% approbation rate. And as the time goes on, the scores are lowering a little.

As we have seen, the opinion of professional who are all friends with each others and supporting of each other are worthless in this case. That's the biggest rift between fans and professionnals.

Stop moving the goalpost, a 7.7 is a great score specially when there is an horde of angry fans giving it the lowest possible score and Imdb has almost literally 50 times more votes than any of those pages you talk about so the sample is way more reliable.

RT has 143 000 votes also.  I have heard that IMDB are filtering reviews and calculating a score that isn't an average. If true their score are worthless and manipulated.

For other countries, if you care, it doesn't bode well. By far the lowest score of the franchise in France (2.9/5).



Goodnightmoon said:
Lucas-Rio said:

7.7 isn't that good and IMDB is not raw data and ratings, it is being calculated .

On Metacritic, it's 4.7/10 for the people. On RT, it's 3.2/5 , with only 53% approbation rate. And as the time goes on, the scores are lowering a little.

As we have seen, the opinion of professional who are all friends with each others and supporting of each other are worthless in this case. That's the biggest rift between fans and professionnals.

Stop moving the goalpost, a 7.7 is a great score specially when there is an horde of angry fans giving it the lowest possible score and Imdb has almost literally 50 times more votes than any of those pages you talk about so the sample is way more reliable.

Honestly no 7.7 is not great for IMDb. It's pretty good. But that number will drop as hype dwindles. It will settle 7-7.5. Which is pretty good but not great at all.



Halo MCC will sell 5+ million copies(including digital)

halo 5 will sell 10 million copies(including digital)

x1 will pass ps4 in USA, and UK.

Lucas-Rio said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Stop moving the goalpost, a 7.7 is a great score specially when there is an horde of angry fans giving it the lowest possible score and Imdb has almost literally 50 times more votes than any of those pages you talk about so the sample is way more reliable.

RT has 143 000 votes also.  I have heard that IMDB are filtering reviews and calculating a score that isn't an average. If true their score are worthless and manipulated.

For other countries, if you care, it doesn't bode well. By far the lowest score of the franchise in France (2.9/5).

That's bullshit, IMDB doesn't do that and is by far the web with most votes registered, most people likes the movie and almost every single critics agree that is great, get over it.



hudsoniscool said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Stop moving the goalpost, a 7.7 is a great score specially when there is an horde of angry fans giving it the lowest possible score and Imdb has almost literally 50 times more votes than any of those pages you talk about so the sample is way more reliable.

Honestly no 7.7 is not great for IMDb. It's pretty good. But that number will drop as hype dwindles. It will settle 7-7.5. Which is pretty good but not great at all.

Keep in mind that imdb is not a true average, it is weighted and we don't know how. Revenge of the Sith is currently at 7.6, so it will likely end up higher. It's a much much better movie. The two other prequels are also better.



hudsoniscool said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Stop moving the goalpost, a 7.7 is a great score specially when there is an horde of angry fans giving it the lowest possible score and Imdb has almost literally 50 times more votes than any of those pages you talk about so the sample is way more reliable.

Honestly no 7.7 is not great for IMDb. It's pretty good. But that number will drop as hype dwindles. It will settle 7-7.5. Which is pretty good but not great at all.

Is the same score that IT had and that movie was higly loved. Lawlight already said it would go down when it was at 150k votes, now it has alost 200k and still 7.7, it may fall to 7.5 at most which is still a good score specially when, I insist, there a horde of fans making multiple accounts to give this movie the lowest possible score, and as bad as you think the movie may to give it a 1 or a 2 is completely stupid and undeserved.