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Who will win?

PS4 will dominate (more than 30M difference) 53 40.46%
 
PS4 34 25.95%
 
both end up similar (less... 20 15.27%
 
Switch 11 8.40%
 
Switch will dominate (mor... 6 4.58%
 
XBox One 7 5.34%
 
Total:131
DonFerrari said:
TheBlackNaruto said:

So how has the 3DS reached 70million then?

Not all 3DS owners are Nintendo fans... but sure they having 40M fans (if that was the case) doesn't mean it will sell 40M. N64, GC and WiiU sold less than 40M, all Handhelds sold more than it. And numbers so far indicate a better chance of Switch doing 70M than 40M.

Thats a point, not all Switch curent all future owners are not Nintendo owners also.



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Pillertriller said:
Mnementh said:

Ah, you count financial years, I looked at calendar years and ignored the launch if it happened in November or December. 2014 has WiiU more than 2013. But whatever, either way peaking in the first year is the exception, not the rule.

There are no rules for console sales. You doing your job good and you have good sales like playstation. Nintendo does its job good too, but only for nintendo fans. Now its the question how many Nintendo Fans are out there? I dont think there are more than 40 millons. 

Playstation does a good job, but only for Sony fans?

Statements like these are ridiculous. Wii, DS and 3DS all sold more than 40 millions. If you choose that these all are Nintendo fans, than there are more than 40M. If you choose they are not, Nintendo can do a good job outside the Nintendo fanbase. Looking alone at this forum with a lot of people saying Switch is the first Nintendo system they got since <Gamecube/N64/SNES>, I tend to think this sells outside the core Nintendo fanbase. But whatever, no console sales ever fell completely from a cliff. They petered out. With the current momentum Switch will probably sail past 40M.



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Mnementh said:
Lauster said:

According to this site, WiiU too

Y1 : 3,643,090 (Nov 2012 - Oct 2013)
Y2 : 3,524,181 (Nov 2013 - Oct 2014)
Y3 : 3,403,503 (Nov 2014 - Oct 2015)
Y4 : 2,655,749 (Nov 2015 - Oct 2016)
Y5 : 299,287 (Nov 2016 - Sept 2017)

Ah, you count financial years, I looked at calendar years and ignored the launch if it happened in November or December. 2014 has WiiU more than 2013. But whatever, either way peaking in the first year is the exception, not the rule.

Ok, I should have specified the demarcation of my years (done in bold). It's the same thing when we compare consoles sales with launch aligned.

Yes it's an exception, but this exception already applied on 2 devices of 8th gen. I will wait until March 2019 to see if the Switch is also a victim of this exception (but with a larger sales volume). This may seem implausible, but nevertheless not impossible.



DonFerrari said:
TheBlackNaruto said:

So how has the 3DS reached 70million then?

Not all 3DS owners are Nintendo fans... but sure they having 40M fans (if that was the case) doesn't mean it will sell 40M. N64, GC and WiiU sold less than 40M, all Handhelds sold more than it. And numbers so far indicate a better chance of Switch doing 70M than 40M.

Agreed. But Pillertriller suggested Nintendo only sells to Nintendo fans.

Actually I think, if you purchase and like a console of Nintendo, you're probably a Nintendo fan. Even if it is your first one, so you're a freshly converted Nintendo fan. Therefore the number of fans is volatile.



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my greatest games: 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023

10 years greatest game event!

bets: [peak year] [+], [1], [2], [3], [4]

Lauster said:
Mnementh said:

Ah, you count financial years, I looked at calendar years and ignored the launch if it happened in November or December. 2014 has WiiU more than 2013. But whatever, either way peaking in the first year is the exception, not the rule.

Ok, I should have specified the demarcation of my years (done in bold). It's the same thing when we compare consoles sales with launch aligned.

Yes it's an exception, but this exception already applied on 2 devices of 8th gen. I will wait until March 2019 to see if the Switch is also a victim of this exception (but with a larger sales volume). This may seem implausible, but nevertheless not impossible.

Agreed, implausible, but not completely impossible.



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my greatest games: 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023

10 years greatest game event!

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Miyamotoo said:
DonFerrari said:

Not all 3DS owners are Nintendo fans... but sure they having 40M fans (if that was the case) doesn't mean it will sell 40M. N64, GC and WiiU sold less than 40M, all Handhelds sold more than it. And numbers so far indicate a better chance of Switch doing 70M than 40M.

Thats a point, not all Switch curent all future owners are not Nintendo owners also.

Not sure about current. Since it was sold out and one needed to "fight" a little for the console and usually early adopters are more of the core. But anyway there is zero evidence that Switch will sell only to core Nintendo.

I'll probably buy one in the next couple years to play with my child that is entering the phase of gaming and already love to see Super Mario on Youtube.

Mnementh said:
DonFerrari said:

Not all 3DS owners are Nintendo fans... but sure they having 40M fans (if that was the case) doesn't mean it will sell 40M. N64, GC and WiiU sold less than 40M, all Handhelds sold more than it. And numbers so far indicate a better chance of Switch doing 70M than 40M.

Agreed. But Pillertriller suggested Nintendo only sells to Nintendo fans.

Actually I think, if you purchase and like a console of Nintendo, you're probably a Nintendo fan. Even if it is your first one, so you're a freshly converted Nintendo fan. Therefore the number of fans is volatile.

That can be true, Nintendo games tend to be very enjoyable so someone playing for the first time may become a fan =]



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TheBlackNaruto said:
Pillertriller said:

There are no rules for console sales. You doing your job good and you have good sales like playstation. Nintendo does its job good too, but only for nintendo fans. Now its the question how many Nintendo Fans are out there? I dont think there are more than 40 millons. 

So how has the 3DS reached 70million then?

Do you really think everbody of the owners of those 70 million 3ds users are hardcore fans? Same goes for PS4 maybe like 20% are real Hardcore fans of Playstation. But a PS4 is just much more appealing console in every way for someone who isnt a kid who wants a console to play games, besides the portability that switch offers.

A question to you : Why did the Wii U only sold 13 millions?



This has aged badly.

To hold the current standing of the poll:

Who will win?

PS4 will dominate (more than 30M difference) 46 44.66%
 
PS4 28 27.18%
 
both end up similar (less than 10M difference) 9 8.74%
 
Switch 7 6.80%
 
Switch will dominate (more than 30M difference) 6 5.83%
 
XBox One 7 6.80%
 
Total: 103


3DS-FC: 4511-1768-7903 (Mii-Name: Mnementh), Nintendo-Network-ID: Mnementh, Switch: SW-7706-3819-9381 (Mnementh)

my greatest games: 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023

10 years greatest game event!

bets: [peak year] [+], [1], [2], [3], [4]

I said over 30m back in 2017, but now I think the PS4 will win by anywhere from 15m-20m.



Barkley said:
I said over 30m back in 2017, but now I think the PS4 will win by anywhere from 15m-20m.

I think ya prediction of 30M is kinda solid, why change it?

Imho, switch isn't going to pass 100M, it will match 90M (maybe a little more). Momentum is good right now, but in the end sales will fall harshly, like Wii, and it will end a bit ahead of 3DS. That said, ps4 will most likely die close to 120M, so yeah, 25M-30M in favor of ps4 is a good guess.

Just look at 3DS, switch sales are not going to beat it by much, and than add that new consoles are coming and mobile gaming is evolving faster than ever! (Looking at you 5G gaming) switch not surpassing 100M, sales will drop hard in 2 or 3 years.

Last edited by Manlytears - on 21 November 2019