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Standard and Premium consoles at launch?

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vivster on 22 November 2017
Mr Puggsly said:
vivster said:

Then the premium version would be outdated after a year and we'd be stuck again. What we need are continuous iterations and not some "generations" bullshit that gives manufacturers an excuse to shit on backwards compatibility and sell us the same games multiple times.

Depends on how big of an upgrade the Premium would be.

Like I said before, I believe we could have had a Premium console at par with PS4 Pro in 2013 for $499-599. A machine that easily achieves 1080p and more stable performance. While the X1X is better taking advantage of coming years later.

If the 9th gen really wants to really aim for 4K on a regular basis with improved graphics, I think its gonna have be at a premium price like $599. Our current 4K consoles already struggle to hit 4K in many cases.

You will simply not get hardware for $599 that will last for longer than a year. Because a $599 console is when it's released upper midrange at best. What about people who want a $999 machine? What about people who want to buy a $999 machine every year or at least every 2 years to maintain consistent performance at ever improving visuals? Why do we have to limit ourselves to only 2 options in a 5 year cycle? What about 8k gaming? What about above 60fps?

If console manufacturers don't want to give us choice at launch they should at least treat us with continuous updates over time.



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sergiodaly on 22 November 2017

i ask this question before... and the majority (to my surprise) did say price is more important and would buy the cheapest option... i would prefer a premium option out of the gate, with SSD more GPU and RAM... but later on with mid gen upgrades would create to many SKUs and i understand the need to keep it simple, but 399 for a console that is supposed to be a big jump in gaming tech is a hard build. this will be 2019, so a 499 price tag for launch would be a better aim...

BTW, and US people complaining about this is such a messed up thing because you have the cheapest gaming prices for ages in one of the richest countries in the world...

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setsunatenshi on 22 November 2017

that's a big Yay from me. I honestly hope this will happen. Keep the costs down for the penny pinchers, and give the hardcore gamers the beefy option at a higher cost.

take my money please



DonFerrari on 22 November 2017

I would buy the premium... Even at 200 USD difference, when thinking about at least 5 years using the HW and the better performance that is justified to me... and you still would have the cheaper option to those that want to just play the game.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

VAMatt on 22 November 2017
derpysquirtle64 said:
Bad idea. At the start of the gen it seems kinda pointless. Mid-gen upgrades approach would be better than releasing premium console at launch. Because mid-gen consoles except for more power are built with some new tech which wasn’t available in 2013. So if we get for example two different options in 2020 or 2021 it will be two consoles built on 2020 tech while with mid gen upgrades, the more powerful option will use 2024 tech

I agree.  Its all about the mid-gen upgrade, not just the "premium" hardware.  



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Errorist76 on 22 November 2017

Terrible idea. I’m all in for mid-gen upgrades because it will lower the gap between a PC and console development. Technological development is hard to predict, so even if you get the high end option you’d end up with an outdated console 4 years later. Plus we already see the development, that the upgraded consoles play the game as it was intended to be and base console versions getting gimped....If that would happen from the start of the gen, it would be a terrible development.

If you want more options and flexibility for fucks sake get a PC!



VAMatt on 22 November 2017
vivster said:

Then the premium version would be outdated after a year and we'd be stuck again. What we need are continuous iterations and not some "generations" bullshit that gives manufacturers an excuse to shit on backwards compatibility and sell us the same games multiple times.

Agreed.  That would be the best of PC gaming - continuous upgrades, and the best of consoles - plug and play.  That appears to be what the market wants, if my impression (not supported by numbers, since they're not available) of the sales of the mid-gen upgrades is correct.  



DonFerrari on 22 November 2017
Mr Puggsly said:
derpysquirtle64 said:

No we couldn’t. Look at PS4 pro and how big it is. The console with such power would have been even more bigger and less power efficient in 2013 because the original 2013 consoles had 28nm transistors while the new ones use 14nm. And if you just imagine the size and power consumption of that thing then it should be pretty clear that this would be console for no one. Those who want power would rather build a PC because there won’t be almost any difference in size and power consumption

I was talking more about the power, not the size and power efficiency...

I mean those things are nice, but the primary reason people are buying premium hardware is power.

Again... there are clearly people who want more powerful consoles without making the leap into PC gaming. These are still very different experiences and why consoles are still popular platforms.

I care very little about power efficiency on a console and size isn't really a concern I have... cost efficiency and tailored software+exclusives are... so PS4Pro launching at 2013 being 2 PS4 glued (it would be a little smaller since it wouldn't have 2 HDs, 2 Drives, 2 CPUs and 2 cooling system) wouldn't be a issue for me at a 599 price tag.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari on 22 November 2017
VAMatt said:
vivster said:

Then the premium version would be outdated after a year and we'd be stuck again. What we need are continuous iterations and not some "generations" bullshit that gives manufacturers an excuse to shit on backwards compatibility and sell us the same games multiple times.

Agreed.  That would be the best of PC gaming - continuous upgrades, and the best of consoles - plug and play.  That appears to be what the market wants, if my impression (not supported by numbers, since they're not available) of the sales of the mid-gen upgrades is correct.  

Nope, it isn't what the market want... PS4Pro from release is selling 1/5 of the total PS4 sold. So the bargain people are more numerous.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Qwark on 22 November 2017

I would go for the premium model. I like more rendered pixel quality and more rendered pixels and more stable framerates and I am willing to pay for it



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