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torok said:
Kerotan said:

I've said it all along but this is a glorified prologue. I'm almost certain they're developing a GT7. It will probably release on ps4 in its last year and then they will upgrade it for the ps5.

At least with the prologue you do know it's just a paid demo. It also was 40 bucks. And it also released much earlier in the lifecycle of PS3 and PS2. Having a real GT game only close to PS5 would be pathetic, specially because the other gen would arrive and even a PS5 remaster would look unimpressive.

Polyphony used to stand for its excellency. Now they stand out for not being able to release games and for poor critical reception. I'm a huge, huge fan and seeing they walking towards a slow and painful demise is heartbreaking.

GTS is one of the best GT ever released. It’s the best online racing game on the market, that’s what the game was said to be. It delivers on what was promised 100%.

Everyone who sees the level of detail and understands the work it takes to reach such a level of sophistication understand why they took 4 years to completely rebuild the game from scratch. It deserves respect not disrespect, like you say.

The game is down to 30-45 Euros everywhere here in Germany already. The funny thing is now people are complaining it has dropped too fast in price.... Some people just love to complain!

Last edited by Errorist76 - on 20 November 2017

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Errorist76 said:
torok said:

That's an absolutely poor performance. Maybe this will make Sony wonder if there's something wrong with Polyphony. Or at least it could show them that people want a real GT7, preferably before PS5 launches.

It has been 4 freaking years after GT6 and the best they can come up with is an always-online spin-off with no real single player content.

 

Thats simply a lie...the game has plenty of single player content, it’s just differently organised. Don’t parrot all those 1star ratings on Amazon that’s mostly didn’t even play the game.

It’s really sad this grest game became victim to a huge unjustified shit storm, just because people didn’t inform themselves about the game. 

Agreed, only someone who never played the game or even the demo could come to this conclusion.  Game got bashed for being online focused and always online etc.  

Also why is it a problem when games drop in price suddenly? i saw a bunch of games that came out last  month under 40€ on amazon last week already.

That aside GTS is a games as a service game with  DLC s so it will continue generating revenue.

I was waiting to get a pro for this game (terrible aliasing on OG ps4) and so im getting the game this or next week for not even half the price. Happy i waited :D

Last edited by Kerozinn - on 20 November 2017

Kerozinn said:
Errorist76 said:

 

Thats simply a lie...the game has plenty of single player content, it’s just differently organised. Don’t parrot all those 1star ratings on Amazon that’s mostly didn’t even play the game.

It’s really sad this grest game became victim to a huge unjustified shit storm, just because people didn’t inform themselves about the game. 

Agreed, only someone who never played the game or even the demo could come to this conclusion.  Game got bashed for being online focused and always online etc.  

 

Kaz clearly overestimated the intelligence of his fans. Should have called it Gran Turismo Online instead, the shit-storm wouldn’t have been half as bad.



True. People are dumb for buying a game they know nothing about anyways. Its had  FREE DEMO and if people cared for it they would have tried it out before buying it blind and then ranting on amazon about it being not what you wanted/expected.

Last edited by Kerozinn - on 20 November 2017

Errorist76 said:

GTS is one of the best GT ever released. It’s the best online racing game on the market, that’s what the game was said to be. It delivers on what was promised 100%.

Everyone who sees the level of detail and understands the work it takes to reach such a level of sophistication understand why they took 4 years to completely rebuild the game from scratch. It deserves respect not disrespect, like you say.

The game is down to 30-45 Euros everywhere here in Germany already. The funny thing is now people are complaining it has dropped too fast in price.... Some people just love to complain!

After over 100 hours actual driving time with the game (almost lvl 37) I'm pretty bored with it. Yes the driving is amazing, but the online game has fallen into the pit of routine.

Finishing the single player content took about 20 hours of driving time, which was fine, but there's literally no reason to ever touch it again after getting gold on it all. You don't get more money or xp. The AI on professional is way too easy in arcade mode. You can race against a higher class to make it more difficult, but why would you have to handicap yourself in such a way.

Online you have the regular lobby mode which you really have to invest time into to find good regular rooms or risk joining rooms that just sit idle, disband as soon as the race you were waiting for to end finishes (can't do anything while a race is ongoing) or as usual get into a big bumper fest.

Sport mode was supposed to fix all that, and it does a bit. Once you get to SR S rank you do get matched with people that try not to hit you. However there are still some bad apples (it's not that difficult to get back into S class) and the penalty system is pretty broken. Except in rare cases both people get punished. Worse if you get hit by someone who knocks you into another person that goes off track, you also end up with a 10sec penalty. Get knocked off track so you end up cutting a corner, upto 15 sec penalty. Someone cuts you off, pushes you off track, slams on the brakes, or hits the wall and careens into your path, you get punished. Get disconnected by the server, you get punished. It only takes 2 or 3 incidents in a race to get a red ranking at the end, 2 or 3 races in a row, and you lose your S rank, faster if it involves a server disconnect or more incidents during the race. Basically after a red ranking, better make sure you give everyone a wide berth next race and check your mirrors to clear a path in time for traffic that might not brake in time.

If you do get downgraded to A, expect to drive very carefully for 5 races to get back to people that at least try to drive clean. That usually means falling all the way to the back while not getting hit in the process. Basically sacrificing your DR rating to get back to S rank. Not that higher DR ratings make any difference. The matchmaking in S class is pretty limited and usually matches you with people of all DR ranks anyway, including laggy players from far away. Getting into a race that's evenly matched is pretty rare and with DR ranking going up and down so fast it can't be trusted anyway.

On to the actual races. The roster is pretty boring. There's only 3 races to chose from each day with big intervals in between. An hourly 10 lap 20 player race, half hourly 4 lap 16 player race and a 3 lap 12 player race every 20 minutes. 3 laps is always with a very slow car with sports tires. 4 lap race sometimes sports sometimes race tires always Gr.3 car, 10 lap race always Gr.4 cars. Besides the limited car selection, never a rally track, nor the Nordschleife. There aren't that many tracks to begin with, in sports mode there are even less. Success in the race all depends on your start position, so prepare to grind that qualifying time beforehand. Qualifying times stand for the day, so you'll likely see the same people in pole position over and over.

Then you have the championship rounds, 2 each night except Tuesdays (server maintenance, can't play Tuesday nights). Races start on the hour, you can join one per night. It all depends on the hectic 10 minute, 20 car on track qualifying round, how well you will do. The championship rounds are simply longer versions of the normal races (20 minutes, not that long) with 20 cars on track. More chances to get penalties! You get points at the end which are still a mystery to me.  (Got 189 points for a win, 1230 points for placing 5th, err) Not that it matters, after 3 weeks it's still only test rounds and means nothing.

Sorry, this turned into quite a long review.

TLDR Skyrim VR came just in time, GT Sport was turning into a borefest. No surprises, same old routine every day with a frustrating penalty system taking the joy out of fighting for position. Heck, people on my friends list have already turned to the dark side and given up on rankings, join the crash fest where you can at least win a race now and then.



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Kerotan said:

Haha Disney are going to kick EA's ass over this.  

A developer like Geurilla under Sony would give the IP the respect it deserves. 

 

Yes, that's for sure. But this kind of game would never be an exclusive, it prints money.

Agreed. The problem was they developed GT6 for ps3 only when it should have been remastered on ps4 aswell. 

 

I really don't think the problem is having a spin-off like GT Sport. The problem that got people mad is that they wanted GT7 already. Sport shows us that they are probably 1 to 2 years far from GT7.

Two things would have been better:

A) As you said, develop GT6 as a launch title with a downgraded PS3 version. Sport would be a pit-stop between GT7 and everyone would be super happy.

B) Scrap GT6 altogether. Probably GT Sport would be out for 2 years already and GT7 would be launching. Everyone is happy again.

Anyway, I will have a formed opinion on GT Sport in a few weeks when I get the game. I really hope that I will love it and eat some crow. I really do. I love the franchise, I would be completely happy if I was 100% wrong in my GT Sport criticism.



adisababa said:

to be honest, i don't get the battlefront 2 hate, I feel that it is way too harsh for a game with spectacular visuals, a serviceable campaign and lots of multiplayer content (come on, galactic assault is awesome). sure the pay to win angle isn't good but it's not like the game will be unbalanced to the point it makes the game unplayable. the weapons will more or less have some sort of balance. loot boxes are a staple of triple-A gaming and I've come to accept it, if it isn't ok for EA to do it then it isn't ok for anyone else. COD has supply drops and I'm not complaining and neither is the gaming community. I honestly couldn't care less about microtransactions because in the end it is a choice and doesn't hinder my own experience. I have only played the beta so maybe I don't know the full extent of the pay to win debacle but the hate is strong and to me, it feels unfounded and way too cruel.

LMAO at the bolded. You have got to be kidding me. It's people like you that are causing this industry to be what it is today. The reason why it's getting well deserved hate is because this is the first AAA SIXTY DOLLARS game to have a full freemium progression system. A system where it takes hours to unlock a SINGLE character. A system seen in cheap games on mobile where they put an unbearable time barriers to entice to you to purchase microtransactions to significantly accelerate the process. 

Also, how the hell can you even justify a fully pay to win system in a 60-80$ AAA game? And no, it's not because they "temporarily" removed them that it makes everything alright. That's like someone attempting to rob you and then they apologise and backtrack when you see them trying to reach your wallet. And you being " Oh, no worries man, have a good day!" with a big smile on your face.

And no, other games that do it should also receive a backlash. The only reason why BF2 got such a huge backlash is because it's the first one to go truly all in on lootboxes. Also, since it's a huge franchise, more people will complain then, say, a game like need for speed that just released recently that also has a crappy lootbox system.



Predictions for LT console sales:

PS4: 120M

XB1: 70M

WiiU: 14M

3DS: 60M

Vita: 13M

Where are the Hardware Sales from gameindustry.biz?



torok said:
Kerotan said:

Haha Disney are going to kick EA's ass over this.  

A developer like Geurilla under Sony would give the IP the respect it deserves. 

 

Yes, that's for sure. But this kind of game would never be an exclusive, it prints money.

Agreed. The problem was they developed GT6 for ps3 only when it should have been remastered on ps4 aswell. 

 

I really don't think the problem is having a spin-off like GT Sport. The problem that got people mad is that they wanted GT7 already. Sport shows us that they are probably 1 to 2 years far from GT7.

Two things would have been better:

A) As you said, develop GT6 as a launch title with a downgraded PS3 version. Sport would be a pit-stop between GT7 and everyone would be super happy.

B) Scrap GT6 altogether. Probably GT Sport would be out for 2 years already and GT7 would be launching. Everyone is happy again.

Anyway, I will have a formed opinion on GT Sport in a few weeks when I get the game. I really hope that I will love it and eat some crow. I really do. I love the franchise, I would be completely happy if I was 100% wrong in my GT Sport criticism.

Agreed with everything you said. 

 

If you look at sport like it's a prologue you should love it. It's on sale for $30 now so it's priced like a prologue for now at least .



Toro aid:
Kerotan said:

Haha Disney are going to kick EA's ass over this.  

A developer like Geurilla under Sony would give the IP the respect it deserves. 

 

Yes, that's for sure. But this kind of game would never be an exclusive, it prints money.

Agreed. The problem was they developed GT6 for ps3 only when it should have been remastered on ps4 aswell. 

 

I really don't think the problem is having a spin-off like GT Sport. The problem that got people mad is that they wanted GT7 already. Sport shows us that they are probably 1 to 2 years far from GT7.

Two things would have been better:

A) As you said, develop GT6 as a launch title with a downgraded PS3 version. Sport would be a pit-stop between GT7 and everyone would be super happy.

B) Scrap GT6 altogether. Probably GT Sport would be out for 2 years already and GT7 would be launching. Everyone is happy again.

Anyway, I will have a formed opinion on GT Sport in a few weeks when I get the game. I really hope that I will love it and eat some crow. I really do. I love the franchise, I would be completely happy if I was 100% wrong in my GT Sport criticism.

 

But Sport IS a pitstop between GT6 and GT7. I don’t think a GT6 with PS2 models and tracks would have been the right thing to do for PS4. It’s the right decision to scrap all that old shit and start from scratch just like Polyphony have done it. It’s just that some entitled “fans” seem to have a problem understanding that.

I am actually happy Polyphony still took their time to make GT6 as it was a much improved GT5. It’s great that Sony was still supporting the PS3 that late in the gen, not like MS, who had basically abandoned the 360 two years earlier already.

It would have been very difficult to make a complex CPU heavy game like GT6 work on PS4. Basically impossible, due to the Cell processor.

 

The people complaining about the old PS2 models and tracks in GT5 and 6 are the same people who are now complaining about the lack of cars and tracks in GTS. 

Last edited by Errorist76 - on 21 November 2017