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Who do your want to win?

CDU/CSU 31 10.69%
 
SPD 23 7.93%
 
Left 30 10.34%
 
Greens 12 4.14%
 
FDP 17 5.86%
 
AfD 59 20.34%
 
another one of the parties on ballot 6 2.07%
 
a party not on ballot 6 2.07%
 
no one 17 5.86%
 
see results 89 30.69%
 
Total:290
Errorist76 said:
LurkerJ said:
Good to have you Germans condescending to Americans politics and lecturing us about which party is evil and which is nice. Newsflash, there's only one party in the USA, corporatists and lobbyists run the show. Moreover, I'd take those so-called neo-nazis over Islam apologists/importers any day of the week.

Americans are lucky their immigration problems are mainly related benign Mexicans crossing their imaginary border, we'll see how "progressive" Europe become when Islamists stop being a "minority", which is happening sooner than anyone has predicted.

How ironic...a country of immigrants complaining about immigration.

 

Also islamists != Muslims. It's incredible how people from a once so 'free' country can be so narrow minded and xenophobic.

 

 

 

Oddly Muslims in the United States and Canada are likely wealthier and successful than in Germany and France likely...

 

lol

 

Bringing in a ton of them and putting them into low-income poverty areas without much social mobility as we see in France and likely the future in Germany is rather narrow-minded and xenophobic.. 



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Mnementh said:
Peh said:

Now even Frauke Petry left the fraction. 

The fraction hasn't even constituted yet and she already left it.

It appears to have been planned before. I believe it's a good thing when more moderate people like Petry split from the openly far right and racist parts of the party. I could say I'd hope the party to kill itself but tbh I think all parts of the country should be represented in the Bundestag even if we don't agree with their opinions...as long as they're not openly racist of course since that would be against the German constitutional law.



LadyJasmine said:
Errorist76 said:

How ironic...a country of immigrants complaining about immigration.

 

Also islamists != Muslims. It's incredible how people from a once so 'free' country can be so narrow minded and xenophobic.

 

 

 

Oddly Muslims in the United States and Canada are likely wealthier and successful than in Germany and France likely...

 

lol

 

Bringing in a ton of them and putting them into low-income poverty areas without much social mobility as we see in France and likely the future in Germany is rather narrow-minded and xenophobic.. 

What makes you think you know anything about Muslims in Gernany?! We have a lot of wealthy and successful Muslims over here. And a lot of hard working ones too. Stop generalising and listening to Trump please.

And for god's sake... let us deal with our problems please. 



LadyJasmine said:
Mnementh said:

Yeah, that's why I want direct democracy. Parliament should make in legislation in most cases, but if the people disagree or want a legislation that the parliament refuses they can put it to a vote. It's working in Switzerland.

 

 

Imo I find many people dont like direct democracy as they think the avg voter is stupid and uneducated which imo is an elitist statement. 

I do think for major issues like Brexit or changing the constitution and such things there should be referendums.

 

Having leaders who get like 30% of the vote deciding such issues is far less democratic. 

Well.... they kind of are

For one thing how politics often ends up being more of a popularity contest than about actual political issues definitely backs that up!



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LadyJasmine said:
Mnementh said:

Yeah, that's why I want direct democracy. Parliament should make in legislation in most cases, but if the people disagree or want a legislation that the parliament refuses they can put it to a vote. It's working in Switzerland.

 

 

Imo I find many people dont like direct democracy as they think the avg voter is stupid and uneducated which imo is an elitist statement. 

I do think for major issues like Brexit or changing the constitution and such things there should be referendums.

 

Having leaders who get like 30% of the vote deciding such issues is far less democratic. 

Agreed.

Also, if some say people are too stupid to decide politics, they basically argue against democracy at all. I don't understand how that is an argument against direct democracy but not against representative democracy. It just makes no sense.

Besides there is a simple solution: the political parties should be instructed by the constitution, that they have the duty to educate people about politics. Simple solutions to the perceived problem that the voters are too uneducated to decide political issues.



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Errorist76 said:
LadyJasmine said:

 

Oddly Muslims in the United States and Canada are likely wealthier and successful than in Germany and France likely...

 

lol

 

Bringing in a ton of them and putting them into low-income poverty areas without much social mobility as we see in France and likely the future in Germany is rather narrow-minded and xenophobic.. 

What makes you think you know anything about Muslims in Gernany?! We have a lot of wealthy and successful Muslims over here. Stop generalising and listening to Trump please.

And for god's sake... let us deal with our problems please. 

 

 

Really you just brought in a million of them and most of them dont know English or have any skills for the modern economy. 

 

I think I will take canadian immigration system over your guys any day... 



LadyJasmine said:
Errorist76 said:

What makes you think you know anything about Muslims in Gernany?! We have a lot of wealthy and successful Muslims over here. Stop generalising and listening to Trump please.

And for god's sake... let us deal with our problems please. 

 

 

Really you just brought in a million of them and most of them dont know English or have any skills?

 

How many immigrants who didn't know English did your nation let in in its existence?! Your clearly xenophobic and full of prejudices.



Errorist76 said:
LadyJasmine said:

 

 

Really you just brought in a million of them and most of them dont know English or have any skills?

 

How many immigrants who didn't know English did your nation let in in its existence?! Your clearly xenophobic and full of prejudices.

Most immigrants that come into Canada these days come through the points-based system that values learning either English or French beforehand.

Also, many of the refugees brought into the nation were pre-selected by the government as well. 

Furthermore, I  have read a lot of German politicians have looked to the Canadian system in how to shape the German system...

Reality is the Germany refugee experiment in 2015 was a disaster that was only corrected afterward shifting the focusing on reducing the numbers to a manageable levels and to focus on national security issues. 

 

The success of a refugee policy system is based on in this order.

1: Security

2: Ability to provide assistance 

3. Compassion 



LadyJasmine said:
Mnementh said:

Yeah, that's why I want direct democracy. Parliament should make in legislation in most cases, but if the people disagree or want a legislation that the parliament refuses they can put it to a vote. It's working in Switzerland.

 

 

Imo I find many people dont like direct democracy as they think the avg voter is stupid and uneducated which imo is an elitist statement. 

I do think for major issues like Brexit or changing the constitution and such things there should be referendums.

 

Having leaders who get like 30% of the vote deciding such issues is far less democratic. 

It would be ignorant to ignore the real reasons. Most AfD voters come from areas with close to no immigrants, low education and a bad economic situation. Another bigger part are former CDU voters who think the CDU went to much to the left recently. Both those groups have reasons for their fears and it indeed would be wrong to ignore it. That's exactly why it's good we have such a system, not only a two party system like in the U.S. 

Just because Merkel's party only had 33 % doesn't mean she can decide everything...that's why they need coalitions and that's what the parliament is for. It's very democratic tbh.

Not sure what the system is like in Canada but if I remember right your parliament is one of the most diverse on this planet. You really should know what I'm talking about.



LadyJasmine said:
Errorist76 said:

How many immigrants who didn't know English did your nation let in in its existence?! Your clearly xenophobic and full of prejudices.

Most immigrants that come into Canada these days come through the points-based system that values learning either English or French beforehand.

Also, many of the refugees brought into the nation were pre-selected by the government as well. 

Furthermore, I  have read a lot of German politicians have looked to the Canadian system in how to shape the German system...

Reality is the Germany refugee experiment in 2015 was a disaster that was only corrected afterward shifting the focusing on reducing the numbers to a manageable levels and to focus on national security issues. 

Most likely he believed you to be an American.

But your post is why I always laugh when a bunch of Americans get upset over Immigration reform in America and then go to say they want to move to Canada, which as you point out has very thorough imigration policy.