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Forums - Politics Discussion - Trumpcare Would Leave 22 Million Uninsured But Give The Wealthy $250,000 Tax Break

Neodegenerate said:
Ganoncrotch said:

It was only 22,000,000 people, don't worry about them.

Those 350 guys though, they're all great people who will sleep better tonight knowing that their wealth is effectively completely unchanged by this change as they would remain the richest of the rich, but slightly more so.

Hey now don't judge.  As an uber rich I need that 250,000 tax break so I can buy one of those new fancy Tesla roofs to put on my 45th rental building so I can charge a premium on the electricty to those now uninsured saps that I am slumlording for!

Oh you used yours? I just left my $250k in the bank and masturbate to it being there rather than helping 22million humans. It's pretty much all I can do to get off these days.



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Ganoncrotch said:
Neodegenerate said:

Hey now don't judge.  As an uber rich I need that 250,000 tax break so I can buy one of those new fancy Tesla roofs to put on my 45th rental building so I can charge a premium on the electricty to those now uninsured saps that I am slumlording for!

Oh you used yours? I just left my $250k in the bank and masturbate to it being there rather than helping 22million humans. It's pretty much all I can do to get off these days.

The tears of the poor are indeed the worlds greatest lubricant.



Acevil said:
WolfpackN64 said:
Time for a universal single payer system.

Honest question can you explain single payer system to me. I been seeing this thrown out a lot and need to learn the benefits and drawback from it.

Basically, the state itself covers healthcare for everyone regardless of income, occupation or health status. Usually, this is covered by a small tax or social contribution, which is a part of one's salary (usually quite small) that goes to the state. In Belgium, you have public health care funds that function as a front end between the government and the people. When you pay your doctor a visit and you paid your fee, you bring this fee in with the health care fund, which will refund you a part of the healthcare cost (depending on what kind of healthcare cost, this can be very small (for example, cosmetic procedures) to very, very large (like life medial procedures for life threathening conditions and general hospital bills.)

To sum it up quite shortly. Everyone pays a small percentage of his or her wage and the state uses this to cover everyone. In all cases, this system is cheaper per person then a private health insurance (Obamacare, which is a large scale coverage program on the basis of private insurance is in fact quite expensive to the state). Some people might say they're never sick and they pay for nothing, but it functions on the principle of solidarity.



People need to understand there is no tax on the rich. They can evade tax doing two tings:

- Moving their business to another region with less taxes = loss of jobs for the high tax region;
- Passing the tax to the poor by increasing the price of their products/services.

Either way, it is always the poor that pay directly or indirectly.



young voters be like.... why do i need insurance i am healthy! then penalized me since i dont want to sign up and can afford it!!!! drain the swamp mr trump!!!!



 

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Neodegenerate said:
Ganoncrotch said:

Oh you used yours? I just left my $250k in the bank and masturbate to it being there rather than helping 22million humans. It's pretty much all I can do to get off these days.

The tears of the poor are indeed the worlds greatest lubricant.

just got a boner thinking about that....



 

Birimbau said:
People need to understand there is no tax on the rich. They can evade tax doing two tings:

- Moving their business to another region with less taxes = loss of jobs for the high tax region;
- Passing the tax to the poor by increasing the price of their products/services.

Either way, it is always the poor that pay directly or indirectly.

And because: they decide the laws and regulations.



Thank god I'm rich............j/k i'm poor as hell. 



epicurean said:

I think I saw on another story they said it would be breaks for like 350 people (but I can't find that story now). So, I mean, you could also come up with the headline from when Obamacare started:

350 forced to pay for health insurance for 22 million people

I almost feel sorry for those 350 people. People are forced to work in order to survive. People are forced to study in order to work. People are forced to go through many awkard (sometimes humilliating) recruitment processes in order to get a job. People are forced to work in order to get health insurance. People are forced to starve because they don't get a job. People are forced to die of disease because they can't afford healthcare...But people should never be forced to pay for the health care of 22 million other people. That's going too far. How devastating it may be for those poor 350 people.

 

epicurean said:
The democrats were smart in getting their health care bill through, no matter who much it screwed the working class or the deficit. Now whenever it attempts to be changed/repealed/etc, they will always be able to say "millions lose insurance". That is always the lead.

Yet the democrats have been able to deliver at the end of their mandates deficits lower than the ones they received at the beginning of thoses mandates, while republicans have been doing the opposite.

You talk as if the democrats went too far and now millions need to lose insurance in order for the country to get back to normality. The real lead is that most european countries have free health care while the USA doesn't.



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JRPGfan said:
shikamaru317 said:
Both ObamaCare and TrumpCare suck ass.

Trump version sucks alot more.

Its going to kill people, and break the economy of familes for others.

Meanwhile the rich (top 1-2%) will get tax breaks.

 

Its a reverse robin hood, hes takeing from the poor to give to the rich.

Obamacare has objectively made healthcare more expensive inspite of being called the... "affordable care act." Its so expensive people were just opting to pay the penalty while receiving no healthcare. Its safe to assume many getting Obamacare are getting it free as well, essentially many are paying more so others can get it free. This doesn't hurt the rich as much as it hurts the people in the middle.

There are many people making slightly too much to get Obamacare, yet are expected to pay for expensive healthcare. Yet somebody making slightly less by just reducing their hours could fall into a bracket eligible for free healthcare. Its a completely broken system and it was from the start. The rich didn't make this problem, bad government did.

Dems keep talking about the rich but people went to Trump and other republicans because they felt dems were ignoring the middle.

In a society where most poverty happens from bad life choices and starting a family as a single mother, I find myself losing sympathy for much of the poor. We should discourage bad life choices, not constantly throw money at it.



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