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Forums - Politics Discussion - Trumpcare Would Leave 22 Million Uninsured But Give The Wealthy $250,000 Tax Break

SegataSanshiro on 27 June 2017
palou said:
SegataSanshiro said:
I could potentially be one of those people and without it I would no doubt die slowly and painfully. I am not joking either. Without my heart care my congestive heart failure would come back and most if not everyone here has no idea how much suffering is involved. You start losing your hair. Start retaining water to the point it's very hard to open your eyes and your eyelids are heavy from water retention. Everyday things become very hard. At some point you start vomiting random times of the day and can only eat at certain parts of the day and can only be a specific thing as everything else tastes horrible. It becomes so painful to breath it literally feels like being stabbed every breath you take. Then you start coughing up blood and mucus from your lungs. By this point you can no longer lay down to sleep. You have to sit at odd angles and lean over something with a pillow to sleep. You feel your organs shutting down and losing all your hair. I was so close to death before I got help. I got help my hair grew back (thicker darker and curlier oddly) and I am living as I can even tho my heart is enlarged and I now have general cardiomyopathy but day to day life is fine as much as it can be. If my medicare/medicaid is taken from me all this will happen again but this time I will die. It's a miracle I didn't die from it the first time.

Move. Canada/Europe/anything, really. The laws will take time to implement, so you should be fine in waiting process.

With what money?



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barneystinson69 on 27 June 2017

The bill won't pass, and isn't from Trump himself. 4 GOP senators have said they won't vote for the bill, so that means it cannot pass the Senate.



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Neodegenerate on 27 June 2017
SegataSanshiro said:
palou said:

Move. Canada/Europe/anything, really. The laws will take time to implement, so you should be fine in waiting process.

With what money?

That right there is the sad part that so many people don't understand and can't relate to.  If you had the option to just move like that, you would probably also have the option to just keep healthcare despite the new laws and revisions as they roll out.  Also, probably would've already moved.

It's almost impossible for people who have completely healthy and stable lives to understand what it is actually like to exist in situations where you aren't sure where your next meal is coming from.  Or if you can cover that emergency room visit you didn't anticipate... again.

Sorry to hear about your heart condition.  I hope for your sake, and the sake of the millions of others in your position, that we don't see anything like this trumpcare bill pass.

 



Birimbau on 27 June 2017

The repeal is bs, they plan to make it worse.



etking on 27 June 2017

Better than the dying and imploding Obamacare. Obamacare is dead so Trumpcare tries to save the overall concept which is still far better than nothing. And all the numbers are pure speculation based on faulty calculation models. Also the negotiations are far from being completed.



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Cubedramirez on 27 June 2017

Obamacare raised the cost of my health insurance and forced me to find new doctors for my entire family. These ass hats who think the ACA made anything better are lying to themselves.

You want to talk to me about helping the little guy and looking out for families? Family of 5 here with two children that need medical care routinely had my cost increase by 8k a year. 

Repeal it!



Teeqoz on 27 June 2017
shikamaru317 said:
Soundwave said:

Damn those poor and lower middle class greedy bastards. Thinking they should be entitled to something as minor as health care in a first world country. The nerve of them. Also many people who push themselves as "middle class" aren't actually in the "middle class", if you're living paycheque to paycheque as many Americans are, that isn't "middle class". 

No I don't believe that free (or nearly free) health insurance is entitled to the lower class. I'm lower class myself, and I don't think it's right for me to have a huge tax credit to spend on health insurance on the backs of hard working middle class Americans, which is why I don't participate, instead opting out and choosing to have no health insurance. Why? Because I've seen the damage that ObamaCare does to the middle class first hand; my father, who was lower middle class pre-ObamaCare, now has to spend twice as much on health insurance as he did before ObamaCare, and all he gets for that is a plan with a deductible so high it is pointless. Meanwhile he is trying to pay for my mother's ridiculously overpriced medication, barely any of which is covered by his health insurance plan. He has gone from lower middle class to barely making it paycheck to paycheck, all thanks to ObamaCare. So hell no, I don't think the lower class is entitled to health insurance tax credits.

What we need are some ballsy politicians who will take on this issue the right way. It's time to pass laws to curb the costs of health care and health insurance so that lower class Americans can afford to buy health insurance with their own money.

Besides state owned health care, what should an American president do to curb the cost of health care and health insurance to make it affordable for lower class Americans?



Ganoncrotch on 27 June 2017
epicurean said:
Soundwave said:

B ... bu .... but Trump was going to be the "working man's" billionaire friend candidate who was going to stick it to the elites I thought?

What a wonderful Medicare plan these Republican boneheads have come up with, of course as per always it screws the lower + middle class in favor of the mega-rich.

Those desperate people earning more than $5 million/year get a nice $250k tax break as a result of the plan though. Can't have those folkes hurting too much right, Trump?

https://www.axios.com/cbo-22-million-more-uninsured-under-senate-health-bill-2448503568.html

http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/26/news/economy/senate-health-care-bill-rich/index.html

I think I saw on another story they said it would be breaks for like 350 people (but I can't find that story now). So, I mean, you could also come up with the headline from when Obamacare started:

350 forced to pay for health insurance for 22 million people

Think about that... 350 people are rich enough to pay for the health care of 22million human beings and you are trying to spin it as a good thing that they won't do that now?

22 million humans.... being cared for by 350 people without actually putting a dent in the fact that they are multi.... multi.... multi.... billionaires.

I sure hope none of those 22million people were nice folks, must feel good at night knowing that a group so small you could fit them on one of their yachts can buy a few more yachts and sail them through a literal ocean of uninsured people now.



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Ganoncrotch on 27 June 2017
Hiku said:

Look guys, the poor millionaires and billionaires needed their hundreds of billions tax break from somewhere. Why not get it from the sick and poor? They're useless to society anyway.

Make America Dead Again

It was only 22,000,000 people, don't worry about them.

Those 350 guys though, they're all great people who will sleep better tonight knowing that their wealth is effectively completely unchanged by this change as they would remain the richest of the rich, but slightly more so.



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Neodegenerate on 27 June 2017
Ganoncrotch said:
Hiku said:

Look guys, the poor millionaires and billionaires needed their hundreds of billions tax break from somewhere. Why not get it from the sick and poor? They're useless to society anyway.

Make America Dead Again

It was only 22,000,000 people, don't worry about them.

Those 350 guys though, they're all great people who will sleep better tonight knowing that their wealth is effectively completely unchanged by this change as they would remain the richest of the rich, but slightly more so.

Hey now don't judge.  As an uber rich I need that 250,000 tax break so I can buy one of those new fancy Tesla roofs to put on my 45th rental building so I can charge a premium on the electricty to those now uninsured saps that I am slumlording for!