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sc94597 said:
super_etecoon said:
Can someone who is familiar with both the American political party system and the British political party system draw parallels between each...if they exist? Don't really know much about the British system.

The Labour party has a "third-way" liberal wing (most similar to Clinton), and a democratic socialist wing, each of which can be subdivided further, and then also miscellaneous left-wingers (Rawlsians liberals, luck egalitarians, feminists, etc.) When I say Democratic Socialist I mean real Democratic Socialism, where they aim to put key industries in to the hands of the state by nationalizing them.  

The Conservative party has civic nationalists, right liberals, and centrists. 

The Lib-Dem party has classical liberals ( think John Stuart Mill) and social democrats (think modern Bernie Sanders.) 

Socially the Conservative party is much less religious and culturally conservative than Republicans. It aims more toward conserving the traditional British institutions (monarchy, aristocracy, church, capitalism, etc.) 

Culturally the Labour party has much less of a liberal consensus than the Democratic party. It is much more accepting of anti-semitism, and much less strict about gay marriage, internationalism, etc. This is because of its working class demographic. 

The lib-dem party is the most similar to the Democratic party as far as cultural issues go. 

Roughly, think of the Conservatives as moderate Republicans, the Labour as a coalition of third-way Democrats and socialists (the latter of which we don't have an American analogue), and the Liberal Democrats as a mix of moderate Libertarians and left-wing (Bernie Sanders) Democrats. 

There is also UKIP which is very much like the Trumpian/paleo-conservative wing of the Republican party, and other more fringe right-wing and left-wing parties.

Corbyn is a Democratic Socialist to the left of modern Bernie Sanders, and May is a civic nationalist economically to the left of Republicans, but just as nationalist as Republicans. 

thanks for writing this up...helps a lot.  



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Ka-pi96 said:

I'm not sure UKIP actually had any impact though. They got what... 1 seat in their entire existence?

I think the EU referendum was more as a way of the Conservatives making them look a more attractive prospect than Labour by giving people a vote on it, than necessarily to do with UKIP.

Voting directly for issues simply wouldn't be feasible. There's just too many issues and let's be honest most people only really care about the major ones, so all the smaller issues would have ridiculously low turnout and just be a waste of time really. Definitely agree that FPTP is a bad system though. Not only is it bad for smaller parties, but it literally means some people's votes are more important than others, and the parties know this and use it to target those voters more than others. Yay for discrimination!

And no, don't really care about the economy. Bankers and stockbrokers can bitch about it all they want, doesn't mean fuck all to me though. From what I saw UK during recession was no different at all to UK before recession.

They got 12% of the vote in 2015 (when they got that seat) making them the 3rd most popular party. They were gobbling up Conservative votes. The Tories had to promise a referendum if they wanted to win.

I guess so. 1 billion referendums would be annoying, though the alternative would be what we have today. And it could be easily reversed if people get tired.



I haven't been keeping up with it all and I'm not familiar with the candidates. I'll try to at least to look into the candidate's before I post again.



This reminds me there is a party in the Netherlands called the "Pirate party".

Should vote on that and take to the high seas! Yarr! Brexit mate!



Nem said:

This reminds me there is a party in the Netherlands called the "Pirate party".

Should vote on that and take to the high seas! Yarr! Brexit mate!

It exists in a lot of countries, it's actually pretty big in Iceland, and it even has one member in the European Parliament. Recently, it's been my choice because a lot of the things they're trying to advance are something I too like.



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Which choice makes it more likely that Scotland will get another vote for independence?



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Signalstar said:
Which choice makes it more likely that Scotland will get another vote for independence?

The SNP (Scotish National Party)



I think people keep thing Labour can win but all their support is the youth while Tory support has been over40% and is older voters.

Who do you want to bet on is going to vote?



Nem said:

This reminds me there is a party in the Netherlands called the "Pirate party".

Should vote on that and take to the high seas! Yarr! Brexit mate!

The pirate party exits here in Belgium too, and I think it also exists in some other countries. I think they're even one of the biggest parties in Iceland.



I at least agree a lot with Corbyn. I also hate war and let's face it UK has unnecessarily entered a lot of wars. U also want universal healthcare and better funding for health and education all of which Corbyn wants. The Tories seem like they would just be there doing absolutely nothing. The deterioration of NHS will continue and all the bad things will become worse while the good things will just be good. How effective have the Tories been anyways can any UK citizen inform me. Corbyn is a socialist that's for sure and I don't know about you but I agree more with socialists than capitalists even though I don't belong to either of those groups



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