If I had money to bet, I would put it all on Scorpio being $399. Pro will drop to $350 and then get the additional $50 off for the holidays, so it will effectively be $299 for the holidays. The same source that gave this info also said that the Scorpio will use UHD blu-rays like the S. 

The APU isn't so beefy, even by today's standard. Until the end of the year, it will barely be mid-range with a Geforce 1180 most likely releasing before that. 4K Blu-Ray drives can fit perfectly in a console that is sold for 229 € around here, so I don't see it as a problem for Scorpio. 12 GB of GDDR5 are not that much more expensive than 8 GB of legacy DDR3. Plus, they save on ESRAM from what I've heard. Which is far more expensive. Game DVR can be done by a co-processor. Some ARM SoC, not that expensive. The more important part for that is the software. 

I don't see any problem with 399 $. It's a perfectly reasonable price for a new console with entry-level to mid-range hardware. You can get a PC with 6 Teraflops right now for a little more than 600 bucks. I'm talking about a pre-built system here, you can bring that price down to 500 bucks if you build it yourself. Sure, there's no 4K Blu-Ray Drive there, but you get a SSD, it kinda balances out in the end. I don't see why Scorpio would need to be super-expensive. It's not rocket science in there, it's nothing magic, it's standard hardware and I think many people are heavily over-estimating what it actually can do. 

Then again, maybe that's just me, what the hell do I know.

I'm a second class citizen now with my standard ps4 compared to ps4 pro and guess I'll soon be second class for my xbox one. Every game I buy now for either will be worse looking with inferior frame rates compared to the upgraded consoles. This is something new in the industry. I suppose the N64 high resolution pack did the same where if you didn't have the upgrade your graphics were inferior but at least that upgraded the original console and didn't require a new one. It's now pretty much the same as ios, android and pc where your old games suddenly play much better on your newer hardware. That android game that chugged at low detail and 720p now has silky smooth 60fps at 1080p with maximum detail and seems 10x better than before all thanks to tablet 2011 being replaced by tablet 2016.

Maybe its time to revisit older titles and save myself the money of buying new games on ps4 pro or scorpio when I get them?

Don't worry. I have the Pro and I barely notice any differences in the games. Framerate is the same, on the Pro there are just less framedrops. But 30 fps games don't run in 60 fps. I also don't see any real upgrade with supersampling. It looks a little tiny bit nicer, but you only notice it if you really look for it. I'm only using a 1080p display though, maybe the differences are bigger on a 4K TV.

If the Scorpio indeed has 12Gb of ram, which seems all but confirmed, it will use higher level textures which will make a much more substantial inpact in the graphics displayed on any display then supersampeling. About the rest of the architecture in the scorpio rumours are rampad and its hard to know anything for sure but a stronger CPU could be a night- and day difference, something the PS5 will no doubt also be, in terms of performance in open world games and in achieving higher framerates overall.

The Xbox One (s) is slower then the PS4 and the Xbox Scorpio is faster then the PS4 Pro. The difference is already confirmed to be greater between the two Xbox devices just by these facts and if the memory- and cpu upgrades are as big as they seem to be the scorpio might not feel like a small upgrade for 1080p or 4k users.

Obviously it will be game dependend, when you look at the PS4 pro a game like Nier Automata or Shadow or Mordor have quite a big upgrade where other games look so simulair many will be hard stretched to see the difference, but I am sure Microsoft developed games and the companies they partner with (warner bros, bethesda and prob. Ea) will look a leaque above their PS4 counterpart.

The big question is if people will buy an Xbox for that, some will for sure others will just wait for PS5 but Xbox announced the console more then a year before release so anyone owning an XBox One (s) should not feel like a second hand, left behind gamer, they are still getting support and knew what was going on, Phil has been very transparrant in that regard

$399 is possible based on the lack of official specs we have on the hardware. Jag+Vega APU can hit $399 off the line. Even if the hardware costs $599 off the line, they could subsidize it for $399 retail, but that is highly unlikely. $499 off the line to $399 retail I could potentially see as a possibility. 

Based on all the rumors and especially what XB and Phil has said, I personally think $499 is more likely. Phils comment about not scaring people with the price makes me think he's not lying just to set up a huge celebration when they announce a $399 price point, but that since it will be more than Pro, it might scare people off. That's why he also keeps stressing the difference will be noticeable. It has to be for a higher price like that.

The fact that XB is launching Scorpio around a year after Pro makes me think they are purposely distancing themselves with PS to some degree, and not trying to compete directly with them. The best way to achieve that with Scorpio would be to launch a more so next gen console at $499 with the specs to actually back it up this time, unlike XB1.

When you add in all of the software they have been talking about like 4k game capture as well as hardware like an internal power supply which adds more cost all around, $399 would be an amazing retail price. I myself, just don't see XB being that generous with a console that capable. Until I knew more about the final specs, I wouldn't be willing to bet just yet.

4K 60fps suggest it has a good cpu too which will definitely make it expensive. I think 500$ is on cards considering PS4P is 400$ with just a upgraded gpu. cpu, ram is just overclocked.