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Fei-Hung on 21 February 2017
method114 said:
Fei-Hung said:

There isn't a single madrasah I know of (I know over 200 since I'm part of a group that monitors them) that teaches killing infidels gives passage to heaven. The statement couldn't be further from the truth. 

I do know that I've heard several ex-muslims talk about the religion and none of it is positive. One of the more interesting things I heard was this guy talking about "the religion of peace". One of these things he was saying is that this is an often repeated line by muslims but that what people don't know is that peace has a slightly different meaning to them. Peace with muslims or in the teachings anyways is achieved by getting your enemy to submit to you and your ways because then the fighting will stop and you will have peace. Thatone of the prophets or maybe mohammad himself used to send this to his enemies basically saying submit to me so we can have peace but if you don't...well then it's war.

I'm not talking about a minority which you are. Also most ex Muslims have a bone to pick with the religion as it don't fit into their lifestyle and they pretty much hate the faith so say anything. 

 

I'm talking about the majority of Muslims living in the UK who live by the tenants of faith and not made up stuff by the far right, far left or ex Muslims who often know very little about their faith. 

 

My brother is a class example of this. He is an ex Muslim, he barely learnt anything about the faith yet he speaks as if he is an authority simply because he is an ex Muslim. For those who hate Islam they see him as an authority just for being an ex Muslim. 



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Mummelmann on 21 February 2017
Fei-Hung said:
zero129 said:

 

irstupid explained it well enough so i dont need to go over it since its clear your grasping at straws.

But does Christian teachers today teach stuff like this to children?

Fact is Islam is "Not" a Religion of peace but one of hate.

The is a pretty HUGE difference between the two, and for you two to try paint them the same is just beyond silly.

There isn't a single madrasah I know of (I know over 200 since I'm part of a group that monitors them) that teaches killing infidels gives passage to heaven. The statement couldn't be further from the truth. 

Yeah, believing that that video represents muslims in a good way is kinda like stating that nazis are technically socialists, so all socialists are nazis.



Puppyroach on 21 February 2017
zero129 said:
Puppyroach said:

You do know that Christianity refers to both the new AND old testament, right? Where slavery is allowed, babys are carved out if a womans body, gays are stoned along with women who cheated on their husbands. Where gods strikes you down if you work on a Sunday?

 

VGPolyglot said:

Deuteronomy 20:16-18New International Version (NIV)

16 However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 Completely destroy[a] them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you. 18 Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the Lord your God.

irstupid explained it well enough so i dont need to go over it since its clear your grasping at straws.

But does Christian teachers today teach stuff like this to children?

Fact is Islam is "Not" a Religion of peace but one of hate.

The is a pretty HUGE difference between the two, and for you two to try paint them the same is just beyond silly.

Who's grasping at straws now? The main force combating ISIS right now are muslims, mainly Kurdish people, Iraqis and Syrians. Muslims overall are as peaceloving as any other. There are some radicals and I do think Islam is in need of a reformation just like what Christianity went through during during the least 500 years. But these religions all have the same issue: Their texts promote violence AND love and contradict themselves all the time.



method114 on 21 February 2017
Fei-Hung said:
method114 said:

I do know that I've heard several ex-muslims talk about the religion and none of it is positive. One of the more interesting things I heard was this guy talking about "the religion of peace". One of these things he was saying is that this is an often repeated line by muslims but that what people don't know is that peace has a slightly different meaning to them. Peace with muslims or in the teachings anyways is achieved by getting your enemy to submit to you and your ways because then the fighting will stop and you will have peace. Thatone of the prophets or maybe mohammad himself used to send this to his enemies basically saying submit to me so we can have peace but if you don't...well then it's war.

I'm not talking about a minority which you are. Also most ex Muslims have a bone to pick with the religion as it don't fit into their lifestyle and they pretty much hate the faith so say anything. 

 

I'm talking about the majority of Muslims living in the UK who live by the tenants of faith and not made up stuff by the far right, far left or ex Muslims who often know very little about their faith. 

 

My brother is a class example of this. He is an ex Muslim, he barely learnt anything about the faith yet he speaks as if he is an authority simply because he is an ex Muslim. For those who hate Islam they see him as an authority just for being an ex Muslim. 

We you can easily dismiss everyone then there is no argument. You just went through and dismissed everyone cause it didn't fit your narrative. They also talked about other muslims as well and how a lot of muslims don't even realize the things their religion is saying. Which made sense because it's similar to what christians and catholics do. A good one is tat's which are strictly prohibited but you'll see many relgious people wearing them.

Also you said "the majority of muslims who are living by the tenants of the faith". Is it possible that they are not living by the tenants of the faith and doing like many catholics and christians do and picking and choosing what they follow? Also the ex muslims I'm reffereing to were speaking at an engagement and pointing to specific examples in the kohran which they pulled up the exact wording. So they weren't making it up. These were people who had 15-20 years in the faith and after learning more and more could no longer continue being involved in it.



method114 on 21 February 2017
Bristow9091 said:
zero129 said:

Fact is Islam is "Not" a Religion of peace but one of hate.

Could you please give me a list of facts that prove the entire religion of Islam is about hate. Are you really telling me that all 1.6b+ Muslims on the planet right now, are preaching hate?

Is it really that hard to believe? We have our own religions here who will preach hate against homosexuals. My own sister wouldn't even allow her kids to watch Modern Family because of the gay couple in it and my sister is one of the nicest people I know. It was shocking to me when she told me but she's very relgious so I guess I shouldn't have been surprised.



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Aura7541 on 21 February 2017
method114 said:
Bristow9091 said:

Could you please give me a list of facts that prove the entire religion of Islam is about hate. Are you really telling me that all 1.6b+ Muslims on the planet right now, are preaching hate?

Is it really that hard to believe? We have our own religions here who will preach hate against homosexuals. My own sister wouldn't even allow her kids to watch Modern Family because of the gay couple in it and my sister is one of the nicest people I know. It was shocking to me when she told me but she's very relgious so I guess I shouldn't have been surprised.

This is me playing as Devil's Advocate, but you need to provide something more substantial than citing one person as an example. For instance, do the highest position holding clerics preach hate against homosexuals?



Slimebeast on 21 February 2017
Hiku said:



Goatseye said:

Look up who is Ami Howitz people. 

Here's how many errors were in that Fox News report: http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/g26Lk

And two police officers who were featured in the segment who said their comments were taken out of context: http://www.dn.se/kultur-noje/nyheter/swedish-police-featured-in-fox-news-segment-filmmaker-is-a-madman/
One called Ami Howitz "a madman", as mentioned in the OP.

The point however isn't that bad things are happening somewhere in the world.
It's that the president is utterly confused and doesn't fact check before he makes false claims that confuses even more people.

Let's hope he doesn't watch a documentary of World War 2 and thinks it happens last night and nukes Germany.

Lügen presse, the Swedish newspaper is lying right in our face!

All the bolded quotes there made by Horowitz and Fox are completely true. Aftonbladet is a lying propaganda organ.

This is a farse. The whole media establishment usually critizises Sweden, but now now because Trump exposed the truth what's going on here, they're all rising up in defense for our corrupt system.

Of course those policemen that were interviewed are going to complain now because all of a sudden they got the whole worlds attention. Because here in Sweden you are not allowed to say the truth about immigrant crime without severe consequences. That's why the police always talks about "gang related" or "suburb related" violence, but they can't say it's commited by people with foreign background.



LadyJasmine on 21 February 2017
vivster said:
LadyJasmine said:
So the Cologne Sex Attacks are seen as fake news by Social Justice Warriors?

No, just the ridiculous 1000+ number.

We're also not keen using certain incidences to crimanilize whole groups of a population. There might as well been 100 Syrians who grabbed a million women, that doesn't make it right to demonize all immigrants.

Germany has been taking in immigrants in the millions in the past decades even before the middle eastern crisis escalated. Most of them eastern european and above all Turkish people. There are millions of muslim immigrants in this country with their families and they have been here for decades. Claiming that taking a few hundred thousand more of them is somehow driving the country into ruin is just ridiculous.

Germany is doing just fine and the current most popular party in the country is left wing.

We will not take lessons from a people like yourself who wanted to hide mass attacks from the general public (collusion between State media and Police) as not offend the feelings of refugees and Muslims rather then worry about the concerns of Germans. 

Canada is doing fine and even better (no Refugee terror attacks) as our refugee policy is based on reason and to be noted is a refugee policy that Germany wishes to follow as it works well .

 

2015 was a mistake and Germany will hopefully deal with well and never repeat it. 



Dyllyo on 21 February 2017

Just making up more shit, while pretending the news is the one making things up.

This president is pathetic



Slimebeast on 21 February 2017
VGPolyglot said:
Many people will point out that Trump didn't mention a specific event, which is true, but the fact of the matter is that he is still trying to paint Sweden as a disaster due to its immigration policy, without taking into account the nuances like the fact that rape/sexual assault is counted differently than other countries, and that due to that it was already higher even before the current migrant crisis. Also, Sweden has some of the best music there is, with bands like Entombed, Dismember, Unleashed, Grave, Carnage, Opeth, Edge of Sanity, At the Gates, In Flames, Dark Tranquility, Bathory, Candlemass, Dissection, Katatonia, Marduk, Shining, Meshuggah, there's just so many good bands!! But I guess that I'm rambling on here. Yes, Sweden (like every country) has its problems, but at least be honest and accurate about it if you're going do say something when millions of people are watching.

Haha, at least I agree that you got that right! Dissection especially is fantastic.



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