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LurkerJ said:
snyperdud said:
I don't think he's wrong at all, but is it a good reason to "respect" Putin? Hell no.

But again, he's not wrong. There are a ton of people in power who do some pretty horrific things, including the US. I don't understand why anyone would be upset over what he said.

Why not? Respect Putin the way previous presidents were more than happy to respect Al Saud & Netanyahu. He just wants better relations with Russia, why is that so hard to swallow? The US is an ally to much worse regimes & countries.

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Gourmet said:
The USA doesn't deserve this man.

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iron_megalith said:

There we fucking go.

And therefore Obama and all of his circle had no damn right to criticize the Philippines' war on drugs.

Where was the outrage when US bombed a hospital full of civilians?

Fucking hypocrits.

Oh and not to mention all these things going under UN's radar.

Ah, the firebombing of Serbia. I swear, the best thing to come out of that was the fact that an F-114 got shot down by an antique SAM from the 1950s.



 
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Zkuq said:
Trump? Honest? He's occassionally honest, but he basically won the election by offering suspiciously easy solutions to difficult problems instead of uncomfortable truths. He's a manipulator who's mastered the art of bending the truth to his needs.

He's honest this time for sure (although I think he completely dodges the point), but characterizing him as 'completely honest' just couldn't be much further away from truth.

 

Basically this. o.O To say nothing from the fact that we're mere days past Kellyanne Conway's 'Bowling Green Massacre' lie that, if anything, might have actually been a more blatant 'WTF' moment than 'Obama Is The Founder Is ISIS.' Sure, I'd certainly agree the U.S. is by no means innocent- and doesn't look to start, under Trump's administration- but let's not get ahead of ourselves here by claiming he isn't, at best, driven by the same dishonesty as any other poltician. The only real difference is he's aimed that dishonesty towards his own narrative, not the typical Washington narrative.



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LurkerJ said:
Mr Puggsly said:
The intents of US and Russia are objectively different. But Trump is right when he says US has made mistakes.

The same way Russia makes mistakes as well. The intents are objectively different, equally selfish, and identically evil. 

We don't believe Russia is making mistakes. Not identical.



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Is anyone surprised by this statement? That's exactly how he was elected. Not by rectifying your own mistakes but just pointing out that other people make mistakes too.



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outlawauron said:
LurkerJ said:

I am surprised by the amount of Americans who truly believe their country's morally superior. One thing I love about Trump, he's shedding light on the hypocrisy from the right & the left, and it's hilarious to watch.

That's largely due to fact that the US has been given the responsibility of being the police of the world and the fact that the US government give $40-50 billion away in foreign aid every year and then private citizens give another $25-30 billion. It's easy to sit on a high horse when you're doing things like that.

Like those 40 billions dollars going to Israel, a country that's just passed a law legalizing theft, as long as they're the thief. Will that be policed? How about standing up to the Saudi's massacres in Yemen? A war that's leaving millions starved. Do you know more about the Iraq war than what Bush told you? USA gets to sit on a high horse because it's a superpower, and not because it's morally superior, and as I've already said, in a sense, that's fine. 



Mr Puggsly said:
LurkerJ said:

The same way Russia makes mistakes as well. The intents are objectively different, equally selfish, and identically evil. 

We don't believe Russia is making mistakes. Not identical.

The Iraq war wasn't a mistake. It's recent enough to pique your interest. Read about it.

I gotta give it Trump, his statement exposed the delusion too many of you happily indulge in.

I guess your public education doesn't suck, immigrants aren't taking your jobs because they're immigrants, you guys don't read and will inevitably suck at interviews. 






LurkerJ said:
Mr Puggsly said:

We don't believe Russia is making mistakes. Not identical.

The Iraq war wasn't a mistake. It's recent enough to pique your interest. Read about it.

I gotta give it Trump, his statement exposed the delusion too many of you happily indulge in.

I guess your public education doesn't suck, immigrants aren't taking your jobs because they're immigrants, you guys don't read and will inevitably suck at interviews. 

Yeah, you've made no points but you made an asinine post.

Good job.



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