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Hapuc12 on 22 January 2017
GribbleGrunger said:
Snoopy said:

They're very niche games outside of zero dawn that doesn't sell well or appeal to the masses or me. I can state sea of theives, forza, crackdown, city skyline, path of exile, state of decay 2, halo wars 2 and more from this year alone, not all of those games are going to appeal to the masses or excactly appeal to me. Judging the video game sales on those games, they don't appeal or attract too many people. I remember you hyped disagea 5 and that game didn't sell well at all after two years. Most ps4 owners buy big third party games. Why not focus making the experience for those games better on your platform. That is what most people are playing.

What you're doing is preparing the way for your argument when the Scorpio releases, just as Crapgamer is. 'Better third party games' is what you fear will be your only argument and so you're framing your mindset around that concept ready for the release of the Scorpio.

You are the knights that say 'niche'.

AHAHHAHAHAh so you noticed too i swear to god when i saw this arguments i thought this guy is same as CrapGamer or Mooch.

 

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aLkaLiNE on 22 January 2017
Snoopy said:
GribbleGrunger said:

Exclusives are the most important feature of any console when it comes to 'selling point'. Just search your soul and ask yourself: 'Would this argument even exist if the XB1 had as many exclusives as the PS4?' No.

Nier, Nioh, Gravity Rush 2, Kingdom hearts, Tales of Basteria, Horizon zero dawn, Yakuza 0 and others are all reasons to buy a PS4 over other rival consoles.

They're very niche games outside of zero dawn that doesn't sell well or appeal to the masses or me. I can state sea of theives, forza, crackdown, city skyline, path of exile, state of decay 2, halo wars 2 and more from this year alone, not all of those games are going to appeal to the masses or excactly appeal to me. Judging the video game sales on those games, they don't appeal or attract too many people. I remember you hyped disagea 5 and that game didn't sell well at all after two years. Most ps4 owners buy big third party games. Why not focus making the experience for those games better on your platform. That is what most people are playing.

Snoopy, none of those are exclusives. They can be played on PC. That's my point. That's why you said 'but not that many people play on PC'.

Well, actually, yeah they do and they're eating your cake. Which is again why I'm saying that exclusives -do matter- and they are largely responsible for PlayStations success (not entirely, but the platform harbors games from any and everywhere). If they weren't as important as you're trying to make it seem, then none of the big three would invest in ANY form of exclusive content yet all three of them do.

 

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GribbleGrunger on 22 January 2017
Hapuc12 said:

AHAHHAHAHAh so you noticed too i swear to god when i saw this arguments i thought this guy is same as CrapGamer or Mooch.

Have you noticed how 'it's not a PS4 exclusive because it's also on PC' has been completely dropped? Does it need to get any more transparent before we see at least a little honesty from our fellow gamers?



 

The PS5 Exists. 


potato_hamster on 22 January 2017
Snoopy said:
NATO said:

You can because they still will, locking down a particular configuration for a particular console and optimizing for it is what makes games run well, and it's something that will always be done for fixed platform systems

The only way that will EVER change, is if consoles became modular, which the scorpio isn't
The scorpio will be treated exactly the same as the ps4pro, just another fixed platform to optimize for.

The sooner you understand this the better, optimizing for a fixed platform is preffered by developers, because they can have much better control over the end product, games that do not optimize for a fixed platform stand out a mile because the quality of such games is terrible.

You are completely wrong in what you believe, and would benefit greatly by spending a few days actually reading developer blogs and literiture.

No more generations does not mean a fluid platform that runs the exact same software as PC, it means that future versions of consoles will have games that still run on the older hardware - and this is achieved by extensive profiling of previous generation consoles, and optimizing for these profiles to squeeze every last drop of performance out.

Scorpio is obviously just going to be a pc that is closed off. When scorpio 2 comes out in 3-4 years, it can run the same original scorpio games at higher graphics, just like pc with newer hardware. Phil wants PC and Xbox one to work together thus the whole play anywhere. As long as you in MIcrosoft's ecosystem, they're happy. Thats what I see from Phil and the push for windows 10 and xbox play anywhere.

Can you please stop being so ignorant? There are people that know far more about this stuff correcting you on your misinformation, and you're just flat out dismissing them.

I used to make console video games for well over a decade. I've made games on the following devices: PS2, PS3, PS4, PS4 Pro, PSP, PS Vita Xbox 360, Xbox One, DS, and Wii. I have manually fine tuned engine optimizations on EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE CONSOLES! Console engines DO NOT automatically scale anything (even this generation), and you have to do all of the optimizations yourself. This has not changed at all with the PS4 and Xbox One. Games are these systems are made with the exact same development principles that we used when developing PS2 games.

Sure there are some game engines (like Unity) that are higher level engines that do have pre-set "opitmizations", but these are general templates, and you always need to spend a considerable amount of time tuning these operating modes on a per-game basis. Also, these engines have a much larger memory footprint than other engines, and do not allow nearly as much control. As a result, games that are made using these engine run fundamentally worse than if the same game was made with an engine that allowed better hardware-specific optiimzation, so we prefer not to use them for more ambitious titles.

Let me be very clear. You do not know what you're talking about. At all.



NATO on 22 January 2017
Snoopy said:

Scorpio is obviously just going to be a pc that is closed off. When scorpio 2 comes out in 3-4 years, it can run the same original scorpio games at higher graphics, just like pc with newer hardware. Phil wants PC and Xbox one to work together thus the whole play anywhere. As long as you in MIcrosoft's ecosystem, they're happy. Thats what I see from Phil and the push for windows 10 and xbox play anywhere.

So what youre saying is..

From now on, Xbox consoles will just be single spec steamboxes that can't run steam and are limited to the Microsoft store instead, and will run games designed for PC using automatic scaling and no optimisation at all.

Way to sell a product man, sounds fucking awful.

 

Also, you're talking out of your backside.



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Green098 on 22 January 2017

Because then what would make me buy it over the PS4 which has both multiplatform and exclusive games.



Swordmasterman on 22 January 2017

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Swordmasterman on 22 January 2017

It need exclusives in order to sell more, get a good installbase, then it will have multiplat as default. PS4 has a lot of exclusives and PS4/PC games that could launch on the Xbox.

Some games sell Millions on PS4 but struggle to break 1 m on the Xbox. That is bad for devs and for the console.



Swordmasterman on 22 January 2017
Snoopy said:
GribbleGrunger said:

Exclusives are the most important feature of any console when it comes to 'selling point'. Just search your soul and ask yourself: 'Would this argument even exist if the XB1 had as many exclusives as the PS4?' No.

Nier, Nioh, Gravity Rush 2, Kingdom hearts, Tales of Basteria, Horizon zero dawn, Yakuza 0 and others are all reasons to buy a PS4 over other rival consoles.

They're very niche games outside of zero dawn that doesn't sell well or appeal to the masses or me. I can state sea of theives, forza, crackdown, city skyline, path of exile, state of decay 2, halo wars 2 and more from this year alone, not all of those games are going to appeal to the masses or excactly appeal to me. Judging the video game sales on those games, they don't appeal or attract too many people. I remember you hyped disagea 5 and that game didn't sell well at all after two years. Most ps4 owners buy big third party games. Why not focus making the experience for those games better on your platform. That is what most people are playing.

Kingdom Hearts is very successful, a lot of games sold millions on PS alone. To be fair, Nioh is a new ip. If it is good, like Dark Souls, the game might sell some millions.

 

BloodBorne sold over 3 M.



Hapuc12 on 22 January 2017
GribbleGrunger said:
Hapuc12 said:

AHAHHAHAHAh so you noticed too i swear to god when i saw this arguments i thought this guy is same as CrapGamer or Mooch.

Have you noticed how 'it's not a PS4 exclusive because it's also on PC' has been completely dropped? Does it need to get any more transparent before we see at least a little honesty from our fellow gamers?

HAHAAHAHAH Yup the moment Phil announced that Cross play That term completly vanished.

Shame tho gaming/gamers has become cesspool of trolling and ignorance even more so the last few years.