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The Cult of Dusty actually make a pretty funny indirect response video to that MTV video.



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KLAMarine said:
SpokenTruth said:

Of course it's not limited to a single skin color.  However, we're not talking about pride in historical European scientific discovery and artistic expression when you talk about white pride.  

Google white pride and black pride and you tell me what you find.   The former provides results heavily founded in hubris and hate (practically nothing on European science and art).  The latter about rising up and succeeding against systemic institutions designed to oppress.

You didn't answer my questions: Is it impossible that white pride is a "look at what European civilization has achieved through the arts and the sciences" sentiment? Is it similarly impossible that black pride is just as capable as enforcing a "we are better than you" mentality?

Additionally, is black pride incapable of reinforcing a resentment or hatred for whites?

Considering that for the majority of white pride is about white supremacy (based on the common definition and who participates), and the vast majority of black pride is not about black supremacy I feel like if you want to talk about white pride but don't want people to assume you are a white supremacist then you have to have a separate subdivision.  Say something like "I have white pride, but not the kind the KKK have that most people think of when you say white pride".  But if all you do is say "I have white pride, oh you think it's the kind like the KKK does well you're the racist really!" then you're just being a contrarian asshole.  It's disingenuous to use the term white pride and ignore it's common definition to substitute your own, and then be angry at people who assume you were meaning the common definition.  This is how I see this white pride argument used by alt right guys and its infuriatingly dishonest.  



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What about Asian Pride? Are Asians fighting against oppression too?



It okay to be proud of your culture and background but not to think your better for it .



LadyJasmine said:
It okay to be proud of your culture and background but not to think your better for it .

This. A lot of my family is Italian, I don't go around taking credit for the Piano.



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irstupid said:
My ancestors moved from Germany to America in like 1900 or so.

But being a white male and being from Germany, I'm sure people would like to blame me for not only Slavery but the Holocaust. I mean, let's not go into the fact that slavery was well abolished by that time and my grandparents also fought in the World Wars against Germany.

But we all know that me just saying that is me being racists, right? It's the same as me saying "I can't be racists cause I have black friends", right?

Your thinking invidual bigotry and prejudice rather than systemic or institutionalized racism.  To use German for example, few would claim all people in German during the Nazi era were bigots against Jewish people but all could claim that a system was in place that oppressed Jewish people.

KLAMarine said:
SpokenTruth said:

Not really on either account.  White European science and art of histroy were not moments of excellence that arose out of a system that oppressed them for being white.  To have pride in that history, science or art, is to have pride in the achievements themselves...not because the person that did it was an oppressed white.  Being white was not a relevant factor in the achievement.

A black person whose black pride is founded on a 'my race is better than your race' mentality is not common and certainly not in line with the black pride movement.  Nobody us saying a black person can't be a bigot or prejudice.   Only that the sources for having pride in ones race is very different for black and white (in the US).

This will vary from person to person. Let's not assume the definitions for 'white pride' and 'black pride' are set in stone.

I just said that.   That's what that whole paragraph just said.



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There's no such thing as "systematic" racism.



Lawlight said:
There's no such thing as "systematic" racism.

Sure there is, it's called affirmative action.



Lawlight said:
There's no such thing as "systematic" racism.

Systemic, not systematic.



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Lawlight said:
There's no such thing as "systematic" racism.

Sure there is but usually it's not enough of a big deal to care about to begin with. Like the fact that Asian characters are rarely seen in Western media and more than 75% of the cast is usually white. Marvel even added a fucking Android earlier to the avengers than an Asian person. Anyway it's things you and I couldn't care less about. Also many marriages happen between the same race which is also a form of systemic racism. Some people like to bitch about that stuff. Or that an Asian or a White male on average makes more money than a black person or a female without taking any other statistics in mind. God praise the wage gap.



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