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deskpro2k3 said:

Here is how voting works folks, for those that don't know.
You have to be registered in order to vote, and in order to register you must be a citizen.

*Posting a video captioning a reporter facepalming*

*Makes a facile analysis worthy of that same reaction*

Welp...



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While not all conservatives believe outlandish nonsense, I cannot help but notice how American conservatism in general has become more and more open to rejecting objective reality. Bircher-style paranoia is becoming ever more mainstream. We are, after all, talking about a political movement where the majority of its members think that not only is the scientific consensus on global warming is wrong, but that the science is part of some vast left-wing hoax designed to destroy America's economy or something else equally nefarious. We have dozens of Congressmen and now also a president-elect who parrot this nonsense. AGW denialism has become increasingly ingrained into the very notion of what it means to be a conservative. More and more it's becoming part of their identity. Fewer than one in four Republicans accept the scientific consensus that global warming is real and predominantly due to human activities.

If you can be convinced to reject physical reality itself, you can be convinced of a host of other outlandish claims supported by zero evidence. Even in 2016, less than 30% of Republicans agree with the statement "Barack Obama was born in the United States." And most relevant to this discussion, at least 60% of Republicans believe voter fraud is common. Again, we have conservative people in positions of political power who either refuse to fight against these obviously false ideas, or they believe in them themselves. This is not healthy.

They say that all stereotypes have an element of truth to them. While support for science denialism or Birtherism or voter fraud conspiracies are not unanimous, they are present in an overwhelmingly majority of the conservative populace.

To be fair, there are plenty of liberals who believe ridiculous things, but in every case I can find, support for such notions is far, far from mainstream, and in many cases it has no significant ideological component (liberals and conservatives are both just as likely to be anti-vax or anti-GMO, for example, and such views are a relatively small minority). The "paranoid style" is largely a conservative phenomenon in today's America.



Gotta be careful, though. Can't call these people uneducated. When you "insult" them like that, they backlash against your "elitism" and vote for someone like Trump, who doesn't "look down on them".

Which is strange, because the whole Trump campaign was a rallying cry of being anti-PC. So when you're, then, not PC with them, they get mad. They like Trump because he "tells it like it is", but when you tell them "like it is" and call them idiots, you're one of the causes behind them voting for Trump.

It's like a catch 22 or something.



Americans, particularly the American Right, have a nasty anti-intelligence streak.

There are so many habits that they do that I found utterly baffling. Confederate flag wavers who say they are real patriots, anti-vaccine phobias, denial of climate change science.....

They live in a fantasy world, and they are harming decent people in doing so



The Democratic Nintendo fan....is that a paradox? I'm fond of one of the more conservative companies in the industry, but I vote Liberally and view myself that way 90% of the time?

Soundwave said:
Mr Puggsly said:

You dont think illegals are finding ways to vote?

The 3 million figure is unproven and likely false. But you really dont think illegals are voting?

I don't really see the strong appeal to want to vote illegally. If you get caught there could be serious consequences. Besides most "illegals" are probably in states that are going to be blue or red no matter what. 

There's not a ton of illegal Mexican workers in a state like Ohio. California, Arizona, Nevada, Texas sure, but those states are not exactly swing states with the exception of Nevada. 

Oh I dont know, maybe to influence local politics. And what consequences? You do know that in CA you would not spend time in jail for this. And if you are illegal its doubtfull that you would actually pay any fine. And lets not forget the plethora of corrupt politicains in cities across CA.



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Hiku said:
aLkaLiNE said:
Now let's just generalize the rest of his supporters as that exact kind of person please.

I mean there's a frightening amount of these kind of people who don't fact check and easily believe in absurd notions. That's simply something that Trump's campaign took more advantage of. Of course not all of his supporters fall into that category.
On top of that there are just other scary things in general. Check out what appeared on a ballot in South Carolina.



http://mashable.com/2014/11/06/south-carolina-racist-exit-poll/#X33233phukqt
http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/politics/blacks-getting-too-demanding-exit-poll-asks-voters/
http://www.aol.com/article/news/2016/11/07/sc-exit-polls-asks-if-blacks-are-too-demanding-over-equal-righ/21600340/

How is this a question in 2016?
If a minority group are still pushing for equal rights, that means they don't feel they have equal rights.

I'm not joking when I say that my view on humanity changed a bit during the past few years, for many reasons.
I always knew these things were around us, but it seems a lot more common than I ever imagined.

It appeared on an EXIT POLL, not a ballot.  Please stop spreading misinformation.



Shadow1980 said:

While not all conservatives believe outlandish nonsense, I cannot help but notice how American conservatism in general has become more and more open to rejecting objective reality. Bircher-style paranoia is becoming ever more mainstream. We are, after all, talking about a political movement where the majority of its members think that not only is the scientific consensus on global warming is wrong, but that the science is part of some vast left-wing hoax designed to destroy America's economy or something else equally nefarious. We have dozens of Congressmen and now also a president-elect who parrot this nonsense. AGW denialism has become increasingly ingrained into the very notion of what it means to be a conservative. More and more it's becoming part of their identity. Fewer than one in four Republicans accept the scientific consensus that global warming is real and predominantly due to human activities.

If you can be convinced to reject physical reality itself, you can be convinced of a host of other outlandish claims supported by zero evidence. Even in 2016, less than 30% of Republicans agree with the statement "Barack Obama was born in the United States." And most relevant to this discussion, at least 60% of Republicans believe voter fraud is common. Again, we have conservative people in positions of political power who either refuse to fight against these obviously false ideas, or they believe in them themselves. This is not healthy.

They say that all stereotypes have an element of truth to them. While support for science denialism or Birtherism or voter fraud conspiracies are not unanimous, they are present in an overwhelmingly majority of the conservative populace.

To be fair, there are plenty of liberals who believe ridiculous things, but in every case I can find, support for such notions is far, far from mainstream, and in many cases it has no significant ideological component (liberals and conservatives are both just as likely to be anti-vax or anti-GMO, for example, and such views are a relatively small minority). The "paranoid style" is largely a conservative phenomenon in today's America.

Science denialism is more prevalent and damaging to society among liberals. While the views you have mentioned are ridiculed by the media and education system, the Left is almost entirely unchallenged in the public sphere on their creationist ideology that denies biology, genetics, and evolution. AGW denialism has not been the driving ideology behind the past 50+ years of governance, but impossible "equality" has been, to predictable results.

BMaker11 said:
Gotta be careful, though. Can't call these people uneducated. When you "insult" them like that, they backlash against your "elitism" and vote for someone like Trump, who doesn't "look down on them".

Which is strange, because the whole Trump campaign was a rallying cry of being anti-PC. So when you're, then, not PC with them, they get mad. They like Trump because he "tells it like it is", but when you tell them "like it is" and call them idiots, you're one of the causes behind them voting for Trump.

It's like a catch 22 or something.

Unfortunately for you, even the Pew Research Center concedes that Republicans are more informed than Democrats.

http://www.people-press.org/2011/11/07/what-the-public-knows-in-words-and-pictures/#partisan-differences-in-knowledge

Of course, trying to smear conservatives as "uneducated" is especially hypocritical when the least educated demographic, high-school dropouts, vote Democratic by wide margins. Way to insult your own base.

KrspaceT said:
Americans, particularly the American Right, have a nasty anti-intelligence streak.

There are so many habits that they do that I found utterly baffling. Confederate flag wavers who say they are real patriots, anti-vaccine phobias, denial of climate change science.....

They live in a fantasy world, and they are harming decent people in doing so

The only people living in an anti-intellectual fantasy world are the ones who think that all individual humans and all human groups are identical and interchangeable, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.



StarDoor said:

Science denialism is more prevalent and damaging to society among liberals. While the views you have mentioned are ridiculed by the media and education system, the Left is almost entirely unchallenged in the public sphere on their creationist ideology that denies biology, genetics, and evolution. AGW denialism has not been the driving ideology behind the past 50+ years of governance, but impossible "equality" has been, to predictable results.

"Creationist"? I'm gonna assume you're not talking about the notion that the universe is 6000 years old and that all species are "special creations" that don't share a common ancestry, in which case I'm gonna have to ask for elaboration.

Also, science denial is most certainly not more prevalent among liberals. Conservatives are vastly more likely to deny evolution, global warming, geological time, and other parts of science that run contrary to conservative economic, social, and religious beliefs. While some liberals do deny that vaccines, GMOs, and nuclear power are safe, it is a small minority, and they are not statistically more likely to be anti-vax/-GMO/-nuclear than conservatives.



Can you please post a link to where the claim that many non-citizens voted is debunked?  I would find something that proved that to be worth a read.

The people in this video were likely brought on because they were foolish.  They were brought on to make specific claims that they wouldn't be able to do a great job of backing up so that the CNN host could be dumbfounded while also not being in a position to have to provide any real evidence of her own.



Shadow1980 said:

While not all conservatives believe outlandish nonsense, I cannot help but notice how American conservatism in general has become more and more open to rejecting objective reality. Bircher-style paranoia is becoming ever more mainstream. We are, after all, talking about a political movement where the majority of its members think that not only is the scientific consensus on global warming is wrong, but that the science is part of some vast left-wing hoax designed to destroy America's economy or something else equally nefarious. We have dozens of Congressmen and now also a president-elect who parrot this nonsense. AGW denialism has become increasingly ingrained into the very notion of what it means to be a conservative. More and more it's becoming part of their identity. Fewer than one in four Republicans accept the scientific consensus that global warming is real and predominantly due to human activities.

If you can be convinced to reject physical reality itself, you can be convinced of a host of other outlandish claims supported by zero evidence. Even in 2016, less than 30% of Republicans agree with the statement "Barack Obama was born in the United States." And most relevant to this discussion, at least 60% of Republicans believe voter fraud is common. Again, we have conservative people in positions of political power who either refuse to fight against these obviously false ideas, or they believe in them themselves. This is not healthy.

They say that all stereotypes have an element of truth to them. While support for science denialism or Birtherism or voter fraud conspiracies are not unanimous, they are present in an overwhelmingly majority of the conservative populace.

To be fair, there are plenty of liberals who believe ridiculous things, but in every case I can find, support for such notions is far, far from mainstream, and in many cases it has no significant ideological component (liberals and conservatives are both just as likely to be anti-vax or anti-GMO, for example, and such views are a relatively small minority). The "paranoid style" is largely a conservative phenomenon in today's America.


That's the beauty of conspiracy theories.  Once you've accepted that everything is a conspiracy, you are free to reject any piece of evidence without any reason. 

And that's what Trump has been doing this whole election.  He never actually came up with any evidence to dispute what was being said about it.  He just said that the media/establishment/SNL is out to get him.  Never really provided evidence, but just gave his supporters an excuse to reject anything without reason.