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Illusion said:
Insidb said:
                                         

1) Soros is shrouded in conspiracy and, like grandaddy Bush, should probably be punished for war crimes (but financiers always skate).

2) Project Veritas was spearheded by the infamous James O'Keefe of ACORN fame: he destroyed that organization, before he was outed for editing, doctoring, and fabricating his "evidence." By the time ACORN was cleared, the damage was irreparable.

3) The MSM (excluding the News Corp.) is biased, but that doesn't mean that they are fabricating news. I trust them to report, but not to be my moral compass. When they have documented sources, I can lean on those sources for data, knowing their perspective wil be left-leaning.

4) Trump supported all of these people and initiatives, previously: Obamacare, Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, the impeachmeant of Baby Bush, etc. They are the same group of elites.

5) Trump has backpedaled on prosecuting Clinton and welcomed Lyin' Ted, weak Romney, et. al. back into the fold. He's about as trustworthy as the lot of them. 

1.) I agree on point 1.  There is stuff on Soros that is so bad, that I won't even mention it on this board.  The same goes for the Bushes: establishment Republican and Dem's are both controlled by the same masters.

2. We have confirmed DNC insiders making hideous comments on tape (both audio and video).  Even if the producer of Project Veritas is a complete crook (which I don't believe) these quotes are so outlandish that even if he took the comments out of context, serious investigation is still warranted.  Even the mainstream media admits that members of the DNC got fired over these videos.  Sorry, but when a DNC insider basically says on video that he doesn't care about the law and ethics and is willing to win the election at all cost, red flags should be going up regardless of who taped it.

3. This is same media who told us repeatedly that Hillary was in perfect health, that she had a 98% chance of winning the election and that if Trump somehow won, the stock markets would collapse immediately thereafter.  They lie outright and blatantly and never admit when they are wrong.  This goes far beyond just a bias, the media is owned by the exact same people who own Clinton.  I'm sorry, but this is not the first time in history that the media has been controlled by those in power.  Every corrupt leader out there knows how important it is to disseminate propaganda to keep people's minds off of the truth.  The only American media that isn't fully controlled by big corporations is the internet and sites like Infowars are now coincidentally being hostily labelled as "fake news" and getting blocked off of social media and google (that alone should tell you that this is going far beyond just a media bias).  It's funny how the "fake news" got the election right as opposed to the MSM...

4. I supported the war in Iraq in 2003 because I believed that there were weapons of mass destruction and I am ashamed of this.  It wasn't until this past year that it started to become apparent to me how corrupt western leaders are.  The Dems and Repub establishments are basically two hands of a puppet master that put on a show for the people.  Regardless of what Trump has supported in the past, he has chosen to campaign on the promise of draining the swamp and I support this mandate.

5. Don't trust the mainstream media's reporting on Trump (for one thing, he doesn't even talk to the MSM so not only are you getting propaganda, but you are now getting 100% uniformed propaganda).  I am willing to let Trump take office to see what he does (assuming that he actually gets the chance to take office and doesn't get assissnated by the establishment first).  If he fails to keep his mandate on cleaning up the corruption and goes back to being an elite, his own base will turn on him in ways that will make the DNC look like a toy poodle.

He's already failing on his "drain the swamp" bullshit. 

His head of education is a billionaire from the DeVos family that paid $10 million to his campaign and now wants to defund public schools, likely because she is going to score hundreds of millions in funding from private/profit-based school organizations. This is how the game works, a small investement (like $10 million) can get you a cushy government position where you can then sell out for tons more money. 

He hasn't hired anyone who isn't establishment and has admitted you can't have an adminstration without a majority of lobbyists in it (funny how he wouldn't mention that during the campaign). 

Why would a billionaire want to change a system created by billionaires that helps billionaires? The "middle class" yokels who bought this kool-aid (just like the Iraq War nonsense) got suckered again. 



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Yup, that's the guy that got elected. And people complaining about the criticism he got: If a candidate for president spends his whole campaign complaining about rigged election and says before his followers that he will absolutely accept the results.... if he wins: That is completely different compared to if he would have said from the beginning that he accepts the outcome. If he would challange a close election after that I would totally be in favor of it.



Illusion said:

Can't people see how rigged this is?  The bad guys couldn't steal the election and now they are trying a back-door approach to get their way.  Why are they only recounting votes in states where Trump narrowly won?  Why not New Hampshire?

The establishment politicians and their elite donors do not like you nor do they care about you. Trump is not controlled by them and this is why the media hates him and tell you lies like: he is a racist, or he is a homophobe.  In reality, they hate you far more than Trump and they believe that elections should basically be this:


"The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them."—Karl Marx

This. /thread.



I really thought his twitter fits were publicity stunts to get media coverage. But it doesn't seem that way anymore now that he won and doesn't need the media attention :/



Illusion said:

1.) I agree on point 1.  There is stuff on Soros that is so bad, that I won't even mention it on this board.  The same goes for the Bushes: establishment Republican and Dem's are both controlled by the same masters.

2. We have confirmed DNC insiders making hideous comments on tape (both audio and video).  Even if the producer of Project Veritas is a complete crook (which I don't believe) these quotes are so outlandish that even if he took the comments out of context, serious investigation is still warranted.  Even the mainstream media admits that members of the DNC got fired over these videos.  Sorry, but when a DNC insider basically says on video that he doesn't care about the law and ethics and is willing to win the election at all cost, red flags should be going up regardless of who taped it.

3. This is same media who told us repeatedly that Hillary was in perfect health, that she had a 98% chance of winning the election and that if Trump somehow won, the stock markets would collapse immediately thereafter.  They lie outright and blatantly and never admit when they are wrong.  This goes far beyond just a bias, the media is owned by the exact same people who own Clinton.  This is not the first time in history that the media has been controlled by those in power.  Every corrupt leader out there knows how important it is to disseminate propaganda to keep people's minds off of the truth.  The only American media that isn't fully controlled by big corporations is the internet and sites like Infowars are now coincidentally being hostily labelled as "fake news" and getting blocked off of social media and google (that alone should tell you that this is going far beyond just a media bias).  It's funny how the "fake news" got the election right as opposed to the MSM...

4. I supported the war in Iraq in 2003 because I believed that there were weapons of mass destruction and I am ashamed of this.  It wasn't until this past year that it started to become apparent to me how corrupt western leaders are.  The Dems and Repub establishments are basically two hands of a puppet master that put on a show for the people.  Regardless of what Trump has supported in the past, he has chosen to campaign on the promise of draining the swamp and I support this mandate.

5. Don't trust the mainstream media's reporting on Trump (for one thing, he doesn't even talk to the MSM so not only are you getting propaganda, but you are now getting 100% uniformed propaganda).  I am willing to let Trump take office to see what he does (assuming that he actually gets the chance to take office and doesn't get assissnated by the establishment first).  If he fails to keep his mandate on cleaning up the corruption and goes back to being an elite, his own base will turn on him in ways that will make the DNC look like a toy poodle.

1. I'm not an NWO guy, but I think we are both reasonable concerned about the the global concentration of wealth and the corresponsing results.

2. There's a lot to be said about what was caught on tape, but there's a reason doctored videos are inadmissible in a court of law (I caution similarly here.).

3. Hillary's health was a fabricated story, and this was admitted (It came from one of the major fabrication sources this cycle: Balkans, Russian, US Libertarian, et. al.). The election result was within the margin of error, and 538 had it about 60/40 in Clinton's favor. Mathematically speaking, the polls were accurate, especially considering the popular vote tally (polls+ analyses really hold up using that). For the record, inforwars published a story about Clinton being targeted by the intelligence community: that story was created a 9/11 conspiracy theorist who A) said it was an inside job and B) said Osama was dead before 9/11. Let's look at some interesting stories about right-leading media outlets:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/how-macedonia-became-a-global-hub-for-pro-trump-misinfo?utm_term=.fqqKeoyxa#.xgwgjQ5Pd

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/303907-sean-hannity-apologizes-for-using-fake-news-story-to

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/11/04/fox-news-apologizes-clinton-report/93300254/

http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/11/23/503146770/npr-finds-the-head-of-a-covert-fake-news-operation-in-the-suburbs

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/11/17/facebook-fake-news-writer-i-think-donald-trump-is-in-the-white-house-because-of-me/

http://www.npr.org/2016/11/25/503361296/experts-say-russian-propaganda-helped-spread-fake-news-during-election

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/facebooks-trending-fail-news-section-reportedly-highlights-fake-news-on-megyn-kelly/

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/25/world/europe/fake-news-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-georgia.html?_r=0

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/fox-news-just-got-busted-bigtime-for-smearing-an-anti-trump-protester-with-fake-voter-fraud-claims/

http://newsone.com/2735972/fox-news-anna-kooiman-apologizes/

https://thebuckleyclub.com/its-the-conservative-media-s-fault-57af80cd5825#.ltv9ji77i

4. I also endorsed the war and was a very conservative, religious Republican (I am now very independent, bipartisan, and disgusted.). I think you will also appreciate the "I Hate Corporate America Reader," which I have been imploring people to read for about a decade. Most of out "new" problems are very old, but the MSM, MIC, Big Oil, Big Food, government, etc. have been woefully complicit.

5. You are referring to Trump's flouting of protocol, which is highly disconcerting. Most of these rumors are campaign leaks, due to the high level of consternation. Considering how the "propaganda" surrounding potential candidates and conflicts has been verified (through photos and videos), I am inclined to believe that it's true, albeit sensationalized by the MSM. Make no mistake: the current perspective on the MSM was carefully orchestrated by the News Corp., but they've lost control of it with the rise of the internet. A fundamental problem that remains is a for profit industry that either caters to public entertainment or is state-run media, both of which have their obvious failings.



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Bernie Sanders was the only candidate that "scared" the establishment.

Trump is going give the establishment massive tax breaks, otherwise business will carry on mostly as usual. Oh noez! They must be terrified of that.

Even TV media, they act like they don't like Trump, but in reality they like the "shock" value he brings, it adds to ratings which is good for business. 



Soundwave said:

Bernie Sanders was the only candidate that "scared" the establishment.

Trump is going give the establishment massive tax breaks, otherwise business will carry on mostly as usual. Oh noez! They must be terrified of that.

Even TV media, they act like they don't like Trump, but in reality they like the "shock" value he brings, it adds to ratings which is good for business. 

This. /thread.



JRPGfan said:
Hes the next president... why does he bother with stuff like this?
You already won, dont put how you won into question. Seems silly.

He is an extremely insecure little man.



pray4mojo said:
JRPGfan said:
Hes the next president... why does he bother with stuff like this?
You already won, dont put how you won into question. Seems silly.

He is an extremely insecure little man.

at the same time, we don't know if it was really "3 million" but there were definitly a sizeable amount of illegal votes cast. So while the left screams about disefranching people by making simply laws to help reduce it, all the legitmit voters are effectly disenfranchized by illegal votes skewing the election. 

I do wish he would not talk about it, let your surrogates toss out the accusations. 



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__XBrawlX__ said:
KLXVER said:

Its because Hillary supports the recounts in three states. The same woman who told Trump to accept the results.

Accepting the final results of the election and wanting a recount in three very close states do not cancel eachother out.

She cautioned him that should the results be a solid victory for her, he should not call on people to go out and revolt against the results, refusing to accept the legitimacy of the election and the votes cast.

Now, he has won, but only narrowly in three states which hands him the victory in the Electoral College, with her being 2 million ahead of him in the popular vote. If this recount (Which was suggested and funded by Jill Stein btw not Clinton intially) shows that she actually won those three states, she would actually be the one the people chose to be president, by both the electoral college and popular vote.

If the recount has him winning, it means he is legitimate, and she has already conceded the victory in this senario. Should the recount show her winning, then the true results were her winning all along. I fail to see the hypocrisy from Clinton in this regard.

and yet she does not speak out against the protests and riots thats been happening since Trump won. She is a hypocrite. They both are.