Totally agree. I think we saw Sony get a bit comfortable with the Slim not having any upgrades(except for the stronger Wifi but if you are a serious gamer you would try use ethernet anyway) and taking away the optical port while Microsoft added a UHD blu ray drive and kept all its ports intact except for the native Kinect port. No UHD drive in the Pro still boggles my mind though, I thought Sony would have been all over it but they can make some strange decisions when they are winning like having only 2 controller ports in the PS2 lol.

The PS2 killed it cause of the DVD drive though, even though the Xbox came shortly after, the damage was done taking into account how PS2 streamlined DVDs in Japan and had a great lineup for the holidays that year in North America.  Omitting the UHD BD drive was weird too, but I guess they don't wanna take chances seeing as most of their profit is from the PS brand OVER their film studios (Ghostbusters 3, lol) , meaning they're in an awful place.

Your argument precludes the that Xbox is the only option.  Like, if Microsoft's Scorpio is too expensive a gamers only option is Xbox One?

Phil Spencer says "It will not cost more than 600$."

Lynksseus says "sweet, 299$ scorpio 500gb model!"

wake up? your dreaming? or not listening to what phil spencer is saying.

This is bound to be 449$-549$. Pick a number in between that and you probably wont be dissapointed.

I don't recall back in 2013 ps4 price considered as premium with PS360 being under $199, but the xbo1 was. PS4 Pro is cheap because they avoided a new CPU option which would  have put it to $499. Consoles get cheaper when the production cost of the SAME chipset goes down. Completly new chipset allways means higher price at lauch.

  Scorpio has a seperate CPU and GPU so the manufacturing process will be more expensive. So If M$ sells the Scorpio at 399 it will be at lost even in 2017, I know they have money in the bank but I don't think they can simply through it away at will, 399 is too risky for a doubtfull market where all exclusive has been moved to PC

Yeah, not upgrading anytime soon unless the Scorpio gets exclusives over the Xbox One. I still to this day regret buying this piece of garbage and I miss my 360 and all the games that are not backwards compatable. If the scorpio is just getting the same games at a slightly better resolution I will be making almost the same mistake that I did for this generation. Honestly, I am more likely to just go full PC or quit gaming (I game much less than I used to). Reaching a mid life crisis when it comes to my gaming lol but I guess the X1 did that to a lot of loyal xbox gamers :(

How about we do a cost breakdown:

GPU seems to be an overlocked RX 480, consumers can get one of those for $200 with 4GB of memory right now and by the time Scorpio enters manufacturing next year that will be more like $150 for consumers, and considering MS is buying in bulk and won't be paying AMD for memory (MS gets their memory from SK Hynix I believe), I'm sure the GPU price will be somewhere in the neighborhood of $110-120 for MS. 

CPU wise Scorpio is either using an overclocked Jaguar (same as PS4 Pro) or one of AMD's new Zen CPU's. Jaguar is super cheap now, seeing as it's 3 years old. Even if MS is using Zen, I'm sure it'll be the bottom end Zen model, so we're probably looking at $100 tops for the CPU, in bulk.

Tell that to the Xbox enthusiasts (not the level-headed fans) that are saying the system is 10Teraflops (we know nVidia and AMD TFs aren't the same in the first place, lol).  I hope the system is as good as it can be so Sony doesn't get lazy, but I don't want people to get ahead of themselves.

1. That is guessing on my part, based on the 6 teraflop specs. Only other thing it could be is the lowest end Vega chip which is set to replace RX 480 next year in the mid $200 range, but I can't see MS using it, it'll be practically brand new when Scorpio begins manufacturing and therefore probably pretty expensive. Considering they can hit 6 teraflops by overclocking the cheaper RX 480 I'm sure they'll go that route instead. But if they do decide to use the lowest end Vega chip it should mean better performance, RX 480 overclocking gains aren't exactly huge.

2. Guess you're right there, it could use something other than Jaguar or Zen, there are other options. It's rumored that it's not using Zen in fact, and I doubt they'll use Jaguar because there will be CPU bottlenecks if they do (we've already seen some CPU bottlenecks on PS4 Pro and Scorpio is designed to run native 4K unlike PS4 Pro). Some low power Excavator cores such as the type used in Bristol Ridge E APU's would be the perfect middle ground between PS4 Pro's overclocked Jaguar and Zen imo. 8 low power Excavator cores at say 2.6 ghz should offer a significant CPU improvement over the 2.1ghz Jaguar cores in PS4 Pro, while offering up a fairly low TDP.

3. Just guessing on my part again. I'm fairly sure that you can't hit 320 GB/s on GDDR5, but I could be wrong about that. I was under the impression that Samsung only managed to hit 256 GB/s on GDDR5 by dropping to 20 nm last year and that there haven't been any further GDDR5 improvements since then. If they can manage 320 GB/s on GDDR5 thoug, they should because GDDR5 is cheaper.

4. If they can manage to do 4K bluray with a firmware update on a PC blu-ray drive that would be amazing.. I think they could get some PC blu-ray drives for like $30 since they buy in bulk.