| Fei-Hung said: Halo 5 which is just about full HD takes up 55gb. If Scorpio will do native 4K I can imagine it taking up 90+gb. |
1) Halo 5 is closer to 100Gb now. (It is 87.3Gb on my console, but I haven't updated it since February, so gigabytes in Que.)
2) Resolution that a game is rendered at has very little to do with install size, back in 1995/1996 you could be gaming at 1080P on the PC and games were smaller than a CD, let alone DVD or Blu-Ray.
| JRPGfan said: Phil Spencer says "It will not cost more than 600$." Lynksseus says "sweet, 299$ scorpio 500gb model!"
wake up? your dreaming? or not listening to what phil spencer is saying. This is bound to be 449$-549$. Pick a number in between that and you probably wont be dissapointed. |
I don't think the price matters.
It's going to be more expensive than the Xbox One S and it's various configurations, that's a given as it's a higher tier in the stack.
And on a personal level, I couldn't care either way, I'll likely still buy it even if it's $1,000.
| nanzano said: I don't recall back in 2013 ps4 price considered as premium with PS360 being under $199, but the xbo1 was. PS4 Pro is cheap because they avoided a new CPU option which would have put it to $499. Consoles get cheaper when the production cost of the SAME chipset goes down. Completly new chipset allways means higher price at lauch. |
The PS4's Pro CPU wasn't a straight clone of what was in the regular PS4, it needed a respin at the very least just to have it on a new node, the PS4 didn't use a new CPU design/architecture anyway, it used readily available low-end PC hardware.
Sony could have wen't with Puma+ and likely not saw a big difference in costs, they likely stayed with Jaguar for other reasons.
Anyway, the CPU isn't the reason for the costs, both Sony and Microsoft have not taken CPU performance seriously in generations and that is not about to change.
| nanzano said: Scorpio has a seperate CPU and GPU so the manufacturing process will be more expensive. So If M$ sells the Scorpio at 399 it will be at lost even in 2017, I know they have money in the bank but I don't think they can simply through it away at will, 399 is too risky for a doubtfull market where all exclusive has been moved to PC |
Do you have viable legitimate source to backup that claim of seperate CPU and GPU?
As for Costs and Pricing... Microsoft is at the mercy of shareholders, shareholders don't like loosing money... And that sentiment has grown in recent years, so I highly doubt Microsoft will push for a loss-leader.
And I don't see the PC (I am a PC gamer) replacing my consoles, I see them as platforms that augment each other, they don't tend to compete for the same space in the home anyway.
| teamsilent13 said: Yeah, not upgrading anytime soon unless the Scorpio gets exclusives over the Xbox One. I still to this day regret buying this piece of garbage and I miss my 360 and all the games that are not backwards compatable. If the scorpio is just getting the same games at a slightly better resolution I will be making almost the same mistake that I did for this generation. Honestly, I am more likely to just go full PC or quit gaming (I game much less than I used to). Reaching a mid life crisis when it comes to my gaming lol but I guess the X1 did that to a lot of loyal xbox gamers :( |
It's a great device. And I am sorry you feel that way, but it seems you have been unhappy since the Xbox 360 days if your posting history is anything to go by, perhaps you should have jumped onto another platform?
| shikamaru317 said: How about we do a cost breakdown: GPU seems to be an overlocked RX 480, consumers can get one of those for $200 with 4GB of memory right now and by the time Scorpio enters manufacturing next year that will be more like $150 for consumers, and considering MS is buying in bulk and won't be paying AMD for memory (MS gets their memory from SK Hynix I believe), I'm sure the GPU price will be somewhere in the neighborhood of $110-120 for MS. |
Any reliable source for that Radeon RX 480 as being the GPU being used in Scorpio?
| shikamaru317 said: CPU wise Scorpio is either using an overclocked Jaguar (same as PS4 Pro) or one of AMD's new Zen CPU's. Jaguar is super cheap now, seeing as it's 3 years old. Even if MS is using Zen, I'm sure it'll be the bottom end Zen model, so we're probably looking at $100 tops for the CPU, in bulk. |
Any reliable source as Jaguar or Zen being the CPU of choice in Scorpio? (Hint: There are other choices.)
| shikamaru317 said: Memory wise, Scorpio seems to have 12 GB of GDDR5X. We're probably looking at about $80-$100 for the memory. |
Any reliable source for Scorpio using GDDR5X over GDDR5? I'm aware of the rumors for the 12Gb of memory, but that may not happen in the consumer release.
| shikamaru317 said: Edit: Forgot about bluray. Bluray is a bit of a wild card. Will MS keep the 4K UHD player for Scorpio even though it will raise the cost drastically, or will they drop it to better compete against PS4 Pro in price? Even with a 4K bluray player I can't see them selling Scorpio for more than $500, MS saw how slow PS3 sales were at $600 and they know they don't have the market in Europe and Japan that Sony does so Scorpio at $600 would sell even slower. $500 tops, less if they drop the 4K bluray player or are willing to sell at a loss. |
Plenty of regular Blu-Ray drives just need a free firmware update for 4k UHD on PC.
The cost is probably smaller/non-existent than you think.
| DannyDesario said: Tell that to the Xbox enthusiasts (not the level-headed fans) that are saying the system is 10Teraflops (we know nVidia and AMD TFs aren't the same in the first place, lol). I hope the system is as good as it can be so Sony doesn't get lazy, but I don't want people to get ahead of themselves. |
AMD's flops aren't the same even between itself.
It's a theoretical number, not a real world, heck might not even be an achievable number and is not representative of the framerates/resolution/graphics that we will see.
10 Teraflops, even for an AMD GPU ain't going to happen not in a cost sensitive device like a console.
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