Yep, Neo Geo launched at $649. And 3DO even higher, at $699. And this if MS isn't playing with truth, as it often does, even further, adjusting past premium console prices for inflation.   

Why not ? RX480 is not a chipset. I have not seen a gpu for years lol but I am sure it is big enough and needs equivalent cpu to feed it so that it is not bottlenecked and obviously a decent power supply as well. Microsoft is clearly going for a big upgrade to push 4K resolution if possible. So that will come at a cost. Although I agree 600$ for a console is expensive unless the new console will play all the Xbone games at high resolution. Because in PS4P dev has to support the Pro mode, the console itself cannot do it. I am sticking with 500$ where dev has to support it just like PS4P

I'm saying whatever GPU they stick in the Scorpio will likely be at par with RX 480. Just like X1 is at par with the 7770.

4K with current X1 graphics should be relatively easy with the big GPU upgrade. The CPU shouldnt be an issue for achieving 4K but it will get a boost. The thing is its gonna be 4K with essentally current console graphics, not max PC settings. But Scorpio may have improved textures thanks to RAM boost.

I suppose it comes down to what market they're really shooting for.

Naturally, if they want mass market, $399 (which seems a little unrealistic for the claimed specs without taking a significant hit on each unit sold on BoM over MSRP) would have to be the price point.

SCE would likely respond by cutting price on the PS4P to $299 after one year on market, potentially keeping the PS4S on the catalog at $199 although I'm curious as to whether a revised PS4S a year from now would still be profitable. Maybe they can sell it near a 1:1 ratio at BoM to MSRP, and maybe they keep it in production just to keep their market more open to a broader market.

I could potentially see the PS3 being removed from the market in this scenario after over ten years on market. But software and PSN Store residual sales should play a large part in whether or not that happens.

More realistically, I would expect to see a $499 MSRP, which still sets it as a "premium" product, despite SCE marketing their $399 consoles as a "Pro" device. I'll withhold my personal comments over that bit of marketing on their part.

If MS is shooting for an "elite" market (the same market occupied by consumers who spent $149 on a Xbox Elite controller), I could potentially see them setting the MSRP at $599, which would make it a smaller niche product, but one that won't be losing them money as I'm unconvinced they can become loss leaders with an Xbox that has a lower MSRP than the BoM. They simply don't have market leverage based upon existing XBO sales and Scorpio is currently being hyped as a part of the XBO environment rather than as an all new hardware platform.

So again, it really boils down to what market MS is shooting for.

The main limiter to achieving 4k resolutions is GPU performance, not CPU.

A man can only dream... And then at that time the PS4 Pro will probably be $349. Either that or there will be bundles with games or a second controller at $399.

Well BR player is confirmed basically and being bigger/heavier is a given looking as even X1S is bigger than PS4 og

That much can't be argueed.

599 would be a failure. 449 is an acceptable price to me.

Well,

How could anyone disagree with either point?  

1.  Its already announced as 50% more powerful

2.  See #1 and it comes out a year later.  The ps4pro will have dropped $50-$100

Indeed. PS4 generally pushed higher resolutions than X1 because of that extra GPU power inspite of a slower CPU.

Eitherway the PS4 Pro and Scropio are getting CPU upgrades.