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Trump or Hillary?

Trump FTW! 305 51.69%
 
Hillary all the way! 285 48.31%
 
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Eagle367 said:
WagnerPaiva said:

The deal is a disaster, it empowered Iran in the long run, putting all of us in risk

No it doesn't. Stop with your lies. Iran since its ascension has not been in a war except for Iraq which you US caused in the first place. And Iran is not as dangerous as you imply. There are no terrorist regimes in Iran and the country keeps to itself except for the shia sunni conflict which does not involve you anyway. It only involves Muslims. Also when president wants to go to war everyone including congress is all for it but when president wants peaceful negotiations everyone including congress is all against it. For example USA has been a part of almost every war in the 20th and 21st century but not part of most peaceful negotiations. What does that tell you about the US?

Yes lets not forget that in American Right Wing Terrorism is also the major threat, not Muslims.



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WagnerPaiva said:
PlayerOne said:

Then I don't see why you would want Trump. Especially with respect to your nuclear bombs statement. Just read - don't even watch or look up news channels reactions to what he says... just read what he says. He says the most idiotic things. When asked about a plan, he goes "I have a plan and it's a good one" then doesn't tell you his plan. Anyone that thinks Trump would be able to run this country successfully and then critizes how Obama ran it is in Trump's own words, "SAD!"

America strong is good for everyone, because a weak America means power to the UN, which is just hellish to the whole world. A strong healthy America is amazing for everyone.

You guys will not be preocupied with Russia´s natural ressources or things like that, the people of America is also our example, in many ways, so, yes, I am interested in a president that untie pretty much everything Obama did in his mandates in therms of foreing policy. Specially about Israel.

Whatever you believe, there is no denying Israel is the center of the world, the cup of trembling for the whole world. World peace hangs in the balance of how the powerful nations threat Israel. 

And Obama did not understand that. Look to what he did to Iran.

A strong america is not good for the world. A strong america resulted in Taliban and all the fick-assery in the middle east. And then even though UN said time and time again that Iraq had no WMDs you invaded and then consequently one thing led to another and daesh was born. So no I think the UN is better than US any day



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DJEVOLVE said:
Eagle367 said:

No it doesn't. Stop with your lies. Iran since its ascension has not been in a war except for Iraq which you US caused in the first place. And Iran is not as dangerous as you imply. There are no terrorist regimes in Iran and the country keeps to itself except for the shia sunni conflict which does not involve you anyway. It only involves Muslims. Also when president wants to go to war everyone including congress is all for it but when president wants peaceful negotiations everyone including congress is all against it. For example USA has been a part of almost every war in the 20th and 21st century but not part of most peaceful negotiations. What does that tell you about the US?

Yes lets not forget that in American Right Wing Terrorism is also the major threat, not Muslims.

I don't know if you were being serious or not but yes. The right wing terrorists do kill more people than musmuslim terrorists. Because according to your own researches, there is more chance of you dying by a fridge falling on you than by a Muslim terrorist attack in America



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PlayerOne said:
tokilamockingbrd said:

I know it was just a republican primary but trump killed it in Manhattan island, probably the densest location of well educated individuals in the world. The idea that intelligent people don't like Trump is bunk. Its what people who don't like trump tell themselves to make themselves feel like they are superior. 

Also, just because you believe people should not be allowed to come into the country un-documented does not mean you hate them. Ever been to another country? Take Japan, you want to visit there you need to show up with your departure information ready to present. 

You use alot of stereo types in general. Maybe Trump supporters feel the only people who support Hilary are angry minorities that feel they should have special priveledges. 

I guess I am in the position where I am not attached to either side, so I don't get caught up in all the emotional BS that cause people to hate one side or the other. I don't get attached to public figures. I guess that is why I liked Romney, he was cut and dry, intelligent and did his best to stay away from emotional bs. 

"You uses alot... angry minorities that feel they shouldd have special priveledges" wow.

Anyways I'll just drop these links that's breaks up how education is shifting the race. The last graph in the first link is extremely interesting.

http://www.npr.org/2016/09/13/493763493/charts-see-how-quickly-white-non-college-voters-have-fled-the-democratic-party

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/08/17/trump-is-absolutely-tanking-among-women-and-college-educated-whites/?utm_term=.23a20366dad3

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-09-08/trump-beats-clinton-least-educated-whites

I did not say I felt that way. But to understand people and why they come to their conclusions you have to understand where they are coming from. They are not racist, they just feel minorities recieve a handicap (golf term). Little things like the average acceptance SAT for a white person is in the 1300s for Harvard where as it is in the 1100s for a black person or 1200s for hispanic. This leads this group feeling like they have to work harder to achieve success. 

Both sides feel they face injustice. You have to understand that or you arrive at the train of thought you have that Trump supporters are all racist. Their train of thought may be incorrect but that does not mean they hate other races. Some do, ya. But I have heard plenty of racist on the left too (Anytime I hear some start with "The White Man" I know something extremely racist is about to follow).

Both sides have valid points, both are completely wrong in some areas, and both think the other side is straight from the pit of hell. Not all, but in a general sense. 



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Mr Puggsly said:
pray4mojo said:

The problem with Trump is his IQ level. Once he's faced off with a politician in a live, national debate... where he can't just make up shit, and the moderator is fact checking... he's going to implode harder than a black hole. 

Hilary will probably cry, cough, or faint. She also has a long history of lying. That should be an edge for Trump.

It doesn't matter what you think of her (I don't like her either)... she's a fucking seasoned politician who's been doing this stuff for decades. Trump is a silver spoon baby, reality tv show, blow hard who's never had his feet held to the fire. His apparent lack of intelligence makes Bush look like FDR. He's going to crash and burn on live TV. There's no hope for him. He's going to be fact checked in front of millions of people all over the globe, which is going to be the end for him because he relies on distractions and lies to stay afloat. He also can't just change the subject and insult someone to get out of it either. They won't let him. He's totally screwed because he's said so many hateful/stupid ass things over the last few years... it's going to be a total nightmare for him.

This election is probably the worst two candidates I have ever seen. The fact that neither side could field someone better than these two is mind boggling. I mean, what were they THINKING?



ICStats said:
Trump is pandering to the working folks, while in reality he and Republicans just care about making more money for the rich. Don't believe me?

Under Trump's tax plan I may save up to $67,000 in taxes per year. How much will you Trump voters save? https://www.isidewith.com/elections/2016-presidential/tax-plan-calculator

Trump isn't pandering to working people. He's pandering to (mostly) uneducated, gullible, bigioted, fearful white people who want to build walls, deport all the "brownies" and think the world is flat.

Did you know that according to polls, 40% of them actually think black people are more "lazy" and that 59% of them think Obama isn't a US citizen? I'm not making this shit up.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-race-idUSKCN0ZE2SW

What Trump getting this far tells me is that there's alot of ignorant people in this country... and, according to data, alot more racists than we would like to believe.



If you guys elect Trump as your President I want to migrate to Mars. Hopefully the Chinese will start a Mars program one day.



srry im not politically interested and not live in your country, but what is so wrong with him?

So much i see. Hillary is a scary Witch and probably will cause WWIII.