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Trump or Hillary?

Trump FTW! 305 51.69%
 
Hillary all the way! 285 48.31%
 
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WagnerPaiva on 14 September 2016
PlayerOne said:

I have no comment on what is happening in Brazil as I haven't experienced it first hand. The only difference between me and you is I'm not picking a candidate that should become President of the other individual's country baised on my personal experience in my own country.

The thing is: The President of America is not only the President of America, it is the most powerful and feared individual of the whole world.

When America gets a cold, Brazil coughs.

When you guys drink too much water, we here have to pee.

So, yes, your president is our concern, not ours only, but the whole world.

Not only your president has enough nuclear bombs to destroy the whole planet, but the money and power you guys control can change our very lives down here with every single decision you made.

By the way, most of the stuff you guys invent, we copy. Politicaly I mean, even laws.

So, this is how powerful America really is.

Now, I have seem what Obama did and it is starting to look very similar to what the lefities where trying to do here. I think Hillary will be America´s Dilma Roussed and, believe me, you guys do not want a Dilma Roussef.



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

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Fei-Hung on 14 September 2016

It looks like America will get screwed either way. The difference will be with Trump, hardly anyone in the world will take your President seriously and we will get 4 years of Trump Spoofs, Trump headlines and Trump impressions from comedians. This might be the most laughs the world has got out of the states so I'm all up for it.



PlayerOne on 14 September 2016
tokilamockingbrd said:
CosmicSex said:
Trump offers nothing. Either way, sometimes we fall prey to our own prejudices a nd fear and for those people, Trump offers the last chance to take your country back (or away) from those who you have been taught to fear, hate, disparage, or whatever. But in reality, there is a reason he loses to educated white people... and everyone else who isn't an angry white male... and he will lose according to all available data. He is simply not presidential material and we don't want to build a damn wall. Educated people realize that a wall wont improve the quality of our lives. It is just a way to tap into racist group thought.

I know it was just a republican primary but trump killed it in Manhattan island, probably the densest location of well educated individuals in the world. The idea that intelligent people don't like Trump is bunk. Its what people who don't like trump tell themselves to make themselves feel like they are superior. 

Also, just because you believe people should not be allowed to come into the country un-documented does not mean you hate them. Ever been to another country? Take Japan, you want to visit there you need to show up with your departure information ready to present. 

You use alot of stereo types in general. Maybe Trump supporters feel the only people who support Hilary are angry minorities that feel they should have special priveledges. 

I guess I am in the position where I am not attached to either side, so I don't get caught up in all the emotional BS that cause people to hate one side or the other. I don't get attached to public figures. I guess that is why I liked Romney, he was cut and dry, intelligent and did his best to stay away from emotional bs. 

"You uses alot... angry minorities that feel they shouldd have special priveledges" wow.

Anyways I'll just drop these links that's breaks up how education is shifting the race. The last graph in the first link is extremely interesting.

http://www.npr.org/2016/09/13/493763493/charts-see-how-quickly-white-non-college-voters-have-fled-the-democratic-party

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/08/17/trump-is-absolutely-tanking-among-women-and-college-educated-whites/?utm_term=.23a20366dad3

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-09-08/trump-beats-clinton-least-educated-whites



PlayerOne on 14 September 2016
WagnerPaiva said:
PlayerOne said:

I have no comment on what is happening in Brazil as I haven't experienced it first hand. The only difference between me and you is I'm not picking a candidate that should become President of the other individual's country baised on my personal experience in my own country.

The thing is: The President of America is not only the President of America, it is the most powerful and feared individual of the whole world.

When America gets a cold, Brazil coughs.

When you guys drink too much water, we here have to pee.

So, yes, your president is our concern, not ours only, but the whole world.

Not only your president has enough nuclear bombs to destroy the whole planet, but the money and power you guys control can change our very lives down here with every single decision you made.

By the way, most of the stuff you guys invent, we copy. Politicaly I mean, even laws.

So, this is how powerful America really is.

Now, I have seem what Obama did and it is starting to look very similar to what the lefities where trying to do here. I think Hillary will be America´s Dilma Roussed and, believe me, you guys do not want a Dilma Roussef.

Then I don't see why you would want Trump. Especially with respect to your nuclear bombs statement. Just read - don't even watch or look up news channels reactions to what he says... just read what he says. He says the most idiotic things. When asked about a plan, he goes "I have a plan and it's a good one" then doesn't tell you his plan. Anyone that thinks Trump would be able to run this country successfully and then critizes how Obama ran it is in Trump's own words, "SAD!"



Normchacho on 14 September 2016
Mr Puggsly said:
Normchacho said:

1. The Nazis were a fascist party, and the party is largely considered far right-wing because it's basis in right-wing ideologies such as Nationalism, acceptance or even support of social inequality, a strong belief in traditional or "natural" morals (read: traditional values), a focus on stability and order, ect.

Now, of course not all people who identify as right-wing will hold all of these beliefs, and the Nazi party to many right-wing ideas to the extreme (hence, FAR right-wing). But they did hold many right-wing ideals.

2. Totalitarianism isn't inherentley right or left wing.

3. Democrats aren't inherentley liberal or left-wing (since the party has actually changed from right to left wing during it's history).

4. Your last bit doesn't make sense. You framed it as a comparison, but the first part states that far right-wing policies don't define republicans, and the second part simply points out that communism is a far left-wing political ideology.

They aren't two sides of the same coin. Heck, they aren't even the same currency.

Bottomline, the worst things about the Nazi part weren't the socialism, the nationalism, morals, etc. It was the genocide, racial stuff, world domination, etc. Which is neither left or right.

Pemalite essentially said extreme right wing policies lead to the Nazi party. Perhaps that was a stretch.

But the Nazis right-wing ideals were the catalyst of their worst actions.

Germany started invading countries at first in an attempt to reuinite all of the "German peoples" which was due to their belief in Pan-nationalism.

The genocide of "undesirables" and all of the "racial stuff" largely came from ethnic-nationalism and the belief that there was a "superior race".

 

The defining characteristics that we all think about when someone mentions the Nazi party are their far right-wing beliefs, and though I think the current US political climate is nowhere near what it was in 1930's Germany...let me put it this way.

Right-wing, American politics today is standing on the same road as the Nazi party. Just as Left-wing politics stands on the same road as the CPSU. What matters is how far down the road we're willing to travel.



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WagnerPaiva on 14 September 2016
PlayerOne said:
WagnerPaiva said:

The thing is: The President of America is not only the President of America, it is the most powerful and feared individual of the whole world.

When America gets a cold, Brazil coughs.

When you guys drink too much water, we here have to pee.

So, yes, your president is our concern, not ours only, but the whole world.

Not only your president has enough nuclear bombs to destroy the whole planet, but the money and power you guys control can change our very lives down here with every single decision you made.

By the way, most of the stuff you guys invent, we copy. Politicaly I mean, even laws.

So, this is how powerful America really is.

Now, I have seem what Obama did and it is starting to look very similar to what the lefities where trying to do here. I think Hillary will be America´s Dilma Roussed and, believe me, you guys do not want a Dilma Roussef.

Then I don't see why you would want Trump. Especially with respect to your nuclear bombs statement. Just read - don't even watch or look up news channels reactions to what he says... just read what he says. He says the most idiotic things. When asked about a plan, he goes "I have a plan and it's a good one" then doesn't tell you his plan. Anyone that thinks Trump would be able to run this country successfully and then critizes how Obama ran it is in Trump's own words, "SAD!"

America strong is good for everyone, because a weak America means power to the UN, which is just hellish to the whole world. A strong healthy America is amazing for everyone.

You guys will not be preocupied with Russia´s natural ressources or things like that, the people of America is also our example, in many ways, so, yes, I am interested in a president that untie pretty much everything Obama did in his mandates in therms of foreing policy. Specially about Israel.

Whatever you believe, there is no denying Israel is the center of the world, the cup of trembling for the whole world. World peace hangs in the balance of how the powerful nations threat Israel. 

And Obama did not understand that. Look to what he did to Iran.



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

Normchacho on 14 September 2016
WagnerPaiva said:
PlayerOne said:

Then I don't see why you would want Drumpf. Especially with respect to your nuclear bombs statement. Just read - don't even watch or look up news channels reactions to what he says... just read what he says. He says the most idiotic things. When asked about a plan, he goes "I have a plan and it's a good one" then doesn't tell you his plan. Anyone that thinks Drumpf would be able to run this country successfully and then critizes how Obama ran it is in Drumpf's own words, "SAD!"

America strong is good for everyone, because a weak America means power to the UN, which is just hellish to the whole world. A strong healthy America is amazing for everyone.

You guys will not be preocupied with Russia´s natural ressources or things like that, the people of America is also our example, in many ways, so, yes, I am interested in a president that untie pretty much everything Obama did in his mandates in therms of foreing policy. Specially about Israel.

Whatever you believe, there is no denying Israel is the center of the world, the cup of trembling for the whole world. World peace hangs in the balance of how the powerful nations threat Israel. 

And Obama did not understand that. Look to what he did to Iran.

Uuuhhh....What?

1. Nope. It's an interesting balancing point politicaly for the US. Since we need to keep them happy (and safe) because of their strategic location and generally western beliefs, and having to stay freindly with the Islamic nations of the region (especially the Saudis) for their economic importance. But certainly not the most importnat place in the world.

2. What he did to Iran? You mean defuse an increasingly hostile situation with a very dangerous and potentially nuclear regime by joining up with half a dozen or so other nations to ease up on economic sanctions?



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WagnerPaiva on 14 September 2016
Normchacho said:

Uuuhhh....What?

1. Nope. It's an interesting balancing point politicaly for the US. Since we need to keep them happy (and safe) because of their strategic location and generally western beliefs, and having to stay freindly with the Islamic nations of the region (especially the Saudis) for their economic importance. But certainly not the most importnat place in the world.

2. What he did to Iran? You mean defuse an increasingly hostile situation with a very dangerous and potentially nuclear regime by joining up with half a dozen or so other nations to ease up on economic sanctions?

The deal is a disaster, it empowered Iran in the long run, putting all of us in risk



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

fory77 on 14 September 2016

This election is the best entertainment of the past year. I mean, fuck the Euro cup, fuck the Olympics and even Brexit- both sides and their arguments were actually kinda respectable, so there was a reasonable discussion (Would've been more fun if the Jo Cox plan worked).
If i could vote, i'd pick God-Emperor Trump (Praise be unto him) to win so that we can build that 1488 ft wall and have 4 years of Make America Great Again™.

 

WagnerPaiva said:

  I think Hillary will be America´s Dilma Roussed and, believe me, you guys do not want a Dilma Roussef.

Also, i apologize on behalf of my country for spawning that cunt's father



Normchacho on 14 September 2016
WagnerPaiva said:
Normchacho said:

Uuuhhh....What?

1. Nope. It's an interesting balancing point politicaly for the US. Since we need to keep them happy (and safe) because of their strategic location and generally western beliefs, and having to stay freindly with the Islamic nations of the region (especially the Saudis) for their economic importance. But certainly not the most importnat place in the world.

2. What he did to Iran? You mean defuse an increasingly hostile situation with a very dangerous and potentially nuclear regime by joining up with half a dozen or so other nations to ease up on economic sanctions?

The deal is a disaster, it empowered Iran in the long run, putting all of us in risk

A disaster? Why? In what way? Is severly limits Irans ability to enrich uranium and the types of enriched uranium it can create. It gives outside countries access to inspect and monitor Irans activities surrounding it's nuclear program and holds them accountable for their actions reguarding such a program. The easing of economic sanctions allows for more economic growth in the country which, as we've seen in other countries in the region, can lead to a tendancy towards western socialization.

Are their negatives? Of course. But a disaster? Not by a long shot.



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