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I am visiting South Korea next month. Hope to visit the border. Hope it won't be closed to tourists over this nonsense.



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Slaughter those imperialist american pigs forthwith, Great Leader!



OdinHades said:
Nuvendil said:

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For one, China would almost certainly not step in, it would ruin their standing among nations.

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I wouldn't be so sure about that. China has made it absolutely clear that they aren't to keen on influence by the west. Trying to invade North Korea would most certainly feel like the west trying to get influence in the far east. Just look how batshit crazy Putin went when the Ukraine was only considering talks with the EU. Not every nation feels good about NATO and stuff. There are also folks who want them as far away from them as they can.

Secondly, China wouldn't need to directly step in. It would be enough if they supported Korea with Weapons, Goods, Ammunition and even soldiers under false flag. That way they wouldn't have to actually declare war on anyone but with their major resources they could give the US and the NATO a real headache in a fight for the north. In the end, I don't think it's worth trying out. Let's also not forget that NK has nukes. They may be horribly outdated and most likely they only have them in single digits, but they are still nukes anyway.

Only if North Korea strikes first I can see a scenario where NK can be taken relatively easy without another major force stepping in. But I think the North Korean regime is very well aware of that and that's the reason why they don't dare to do anything. They can't rely on their chinese supporters if they make the first step. I actually think they are trying to get the US to do something stupid. Because of that, I still hope Trump doesn't get elected. Until this day, US presidents were smart enough to not give two fucks about what NK is saying. But Mr. Trump tends to act first and think later. If he even thinks at all... But well, that is another topic for itself.

I was referring to a scenario when NK is the agressor, sorry if that was unclear.  Someone compared it to Vietnam, in which NV was for all practical purposes the agressor.  In such a scenario, China would be very unlikely to step in.  They are already very tired of NK's crap.



Will you get it the fudge over with?! Bloody no good politicians, with their silly saber rattling on and on, bleh bleh bleh. How about some spicy hot war for a change?

Yea, Give me war or keep your mouth shut. Maybe then i can finally wear my "I survived a nuclear holocaust and i all i got is this lousy shirt"-t-shirt.



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OdinHades said:
Nuvendil said:

[…]

For one, China would almost certainly not step in, it would ruin their standing among nations.

[…]

I wouldn't be so sure about that. China has made it absolutely clear that they aren't to keen on influence by the west. Trying to invade North Korea would most certainly feel like the west trying to get influence in the far east. Just look how batshit crazy Putin went when the Ukraine was only considering talks with the EU. Not every nation feels good about NATO and stuff. There are also folks who want them as far away from them as they can.

Secondly, China wouldn't need to directly step in. It would be enough if they supported Korea with Weapons, Goods, Ammunition and even soldiers under false flag. That way they wouldn't have to actually declare war on anyone but with their major resources they could give the US and the NATO a real headache in a fight for the north. In the end, I don't think it's worth trying out. Let's also not forget that NK has nukes. They may be horribly outdated and most likely they only have them in single digits, but they are still nukes anyway.

Only if North Korea strikes first I can see a scenario where NK can be taken relatively easy without another major force stepping in. But I think the North Korean regime is very well aware of that and that's the reason why they don't dare to do anything. They can't rely on their chinese supporters if they make the first step. I actually think they are trying to get the US to do something stupid. Because of that, I still hope Trump doesn't get elected. Until this day, US presidents were smart enough to not give two fucks about what NK is saying. But Mr. Trump tends to act first and think later. If he even thinks at all... But well, that is another topic for itself.

As much as Trump is a big mouth I don`t think he is much more a liability than Hillary would be in deciding to go bonks and bombing NK because of the threats.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

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SpokenTruth said:
OdinHades said:

Yeah, we all know how easily the US invaded Vietnam, don't we?

Don't get me wrong, I know the army of NK is horribly outdated and doesn't stand a chance on paper against the US. But you can never know how exactly a full-fledged war will turnout. Let alone who will join which side when it comes to that. China has been pissed against NK lately, but no one can say for sure they won't support them when the US tries to invade them. China has no interest in a united western oriented Korea that has a border right to them. 

All I wanna say is be careful with war. Don't overestimate yourself and never underestimate your enemy. Even Sun Tzu knew that. =P

Vietnam was political.  There was never any intention to win that war.  As for China, they will not step in militarily to help NK...especially when their entire economy depends on NK's enemy in said war.  More so, relations between them have become heavily strained.  China co-signed (with the US) the sanctions against NK in February.   NK is China's 82nd largest trade partner.

DonFerrari said:

Che Guevara is a lot more spread an longer than any of the Kin family member... And people even ignore all the crimes he have done and keep saying he is like a god and good person.

Che is a more a T-shirt icon than a cult leader.   His image has been adopted for profit (most ironic) and repackaged by others for personal gains.

Also, Che gained notoriety in the 50's.  Kim Il-Sung in the 40's.

Maybe it`s just T-shirt, but I see a lot of people addoring him (even if they don`t really know all the crimes he commited), and about Kim Il-Sung, I don`t know as well if he is still adored. But I get your point.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

SpokenTruth said:
DonFerrari said:

Maybe it`s just T-shirt, but I see a lot of people addoring him (even if they don`t really know all the crimes he commited), and about Kim Il-Sung, I don`t know as well if he is still adored. But I get your point.

To close out our discussion, my initial post combined the cult icon with social engineering.  Che's icon status didn't happen because of a determined plot by Che to become that icon.  Nor is there a central force (company, government, etc...) running a propoganda program to maintain his iconic status.   Better stated, no one entity has ultimate control over Che's fan base while the NK governmentmost certainly does.  

 

One of the things that makes NK so much worse than previous dictatorships is the 3 generation rule.   Any slight at all against the Dear Leader or North Korea itself and you are imprisoned...along with your family...for the next 3 generations.  But most would never dare do that.  Not just for fear of imprisonment but because they adore him. And his family is just as revered.

They absolutely believe Kim Jong-Il was born of divinity, could walk on water (sound familiar?), provided all the clothes, food, etc...for everyone, he walked by age 3 weeks, talked by week 8, wrote thousands of books in 2 years, wrote a dozens operas that way surpass Mozart, Verdi or Wagner, also a 38 under par the first and only time he ever golfed (a dozen hole-in-ones no less), they believe he is the world's foremost fashion icon, he's climbed all the highest mountains in the world, invented the hamburger and never had to use the toilet....ever.

They built an entire village for no purpose other than propoganda.  No one actually lives there.

It's been like this for over 60 years with no expectations of change any time soon.

I bow down and concede over your knowledge of their adoration.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

SpokenTruth said:
DonFerrari said:

I bow down and concede over your knowledge of their adoration.

Sorry.  I just had 3 seperate classes and all 3 had us focusing on NK.  I was starting to suspect a conspiracy.

No need to apologize, you have a better knowledge than me on the subject. On a devotion level I agree Kim would be higher, but on spread of the adoration Che would be higher (but more like a pop symbol than anything else) and I think you are right to suspect.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

I seriously wonder at what point the US, NATO or even the UN will just draw the line and flatten North Korea. Imagine them successfully developing Nuclear Weapons and other weapons such as Ballistic Missiles to deliver them to their target. With a regime which has nothing to lose if they're about to be toppled that's such an immense risk.



Augen said:
Sabre rattling again, I don't see anything coming from this.

Yeah they made similar statements just about every couple of weeks this year, but it's hot air and although it looks at face value that the rhetoric is aimed at the US, it is really aimed at a domestic audience.



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