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Forums - Movies & TV - Batman: The Killing Joke horrifyingly objectifies and victimizes Batgirl! SPOILERS!!!

NobleTeam360 on 25 July 2016

Just got through watching it and enjoyed it.



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Dunban67 on 25 July 2016
Normchacho said:
Dunban67 said:

People are victemized in real life-  you want to pretend it does not happen to women?

Sometimes i can t even tell if these whiteknight threads are real or sarcasim-  hopefully the latter

there are  so many places that women are "objectified"  (by some of the defintions here)  in the main stream that but no one ever mentions them - 

Additionally, women that have been victims in real life may identify with some of the women " victemized" in comincs, video games, tv etc 

Peope should not be so sensitive, should not encourage censrsorship and women don t need beta males to tell everyone else what is "too much" for women to handle

Most women are not worried about stuff like this why only spea out on behalf of a few that may not be asking for your help in the 1st place

Wait, can we pause for a second here. Did you just use the term "beta male" in a serious post?

What do YOU call them?   Use whatever term makes you happy


XanderXT on 25 July 2016
Mike321 said:
mjk45 said:

Your just jealous that supergirl wasn't invited for a threesome.

Definitely not, if anything I'm glad she stayed away from them in this movie

However, I wouldn't mind if it was just Batgirl and Supergirl

Eh, the only reason Supergirl gets shipped with Batman is because she first appeared during Post-Crisis in Batman/Superman.

They've barely even interacted in the comics, though.



Normchacho on 25 July 2016
Dunban67 said:
Normchacho said:

Wait, can we pause for a second here. Did you just use the term "beta male" in a serious post?

What do YOU call them?   Use whatever term makes you happy

Men? Because any binary term used to generalized the incredibly complicated subject of human personality is ridiculous to the point of just being silly, and because  the personality traits used to seperate so called "Alpha" and "beta" males typically aren't mutually exclusive. 



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darkknightkryta on 25 July 2016
bigtakilla said:
darkknightkryta said:

"sexually objectified" what's the difference?  Like, what's your interpretation.  I'm assuing you're refering to her as more sexualized, like making her a sex item.  My understanding of it would be as an "object" as a consequence.  My interpretation is essentially the same thing (She's sexualized and being a sex object are the same to me).  Though it sounds like your biggest complaint is that she's being used a something to "conquer" when Batman was the one being conquered.  Which is why I think Batman is the one being objectified here and not actually Barbara.   

Objectified and sexualized are different things.... Not catching your meaning... 

Objectified and sexualization are different.  "Sexually objectified" isn't any different than sexualizing a character, to me.  Which is what I'm saying.



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archer9234 on 25 July 2016
darkknightkryta said:
 Funny thing is, it was never even hinted in the Animated Series' rebound episodes (I Think that's what they referred to them.) Then all of a sudden in Batman Beyond and Mystery of the Batwoman they were a couple. Really? WTF Timm? And WTF Dini? Why didn't you tell Timm this was a stupid idea?

You forgot one episode it was hinted at. The last episode of Batman TAS: Batgirl Returns. She had her daydream of liking Batman.



Ucouldntbemorewrong on 25 July 2016

So psyched for this!

Mostly because I have Mint, 1st edition of Killing Joke Comic

$$$ sellin dat bitch



FentonCrackshell on 25 July 2016

Is the rape a scene or just alluded to? Because I really hate graphic rape scenes and would probably skip this one if it's so.



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Dunban67 on 25 July 2016
Normchacho said:
Dunban67 said:

Men? Because any binary term used to generalized the incredibly complicated subject of human personality is ridiculous to the point of just being silly, and because  the personality traits used to seperate so called "Alpha" and "beta" males typically aren't mutually exclusive. 

I see lables attached to men (and women) every day on these forums and most anywere else-   1st time i have seen someone say the human personality is too complicated to do so-    You should run w this campaign-  

However I don t  think beta males are, nor seem to want to be identified with just "men"   -  Is it even considerd deroagory?  Is SJW better? 



Fei-Hung on 25 July 2016
bigtakilla said:

Wow, I am completely shocked. When I heard Tara Strong, Mark Hammil, and Kevin Conroy were coming back to do one last movie I was blown away in excitement. Then I heard there was going to be added story to flesh out Batgirl a little and was even MORE excited....

And then I seen it...

When she's not getting beat up, she is being raped or chasing Batman (like a girl who "likes likes" a guy chasing Batman). The only scene of her winning a fight is to show she can't handle being a super hero, so she quits.

It's not just a movie I will never be able to show my daughter (which I initially eventually was going to, she's a bit young now), but one I would be embarrased to show my girlfriend. 

If anyone thinks Bayo is bad because the title character is being sexually objectified, watch this movie....

Sounds like a very good adaptation, much better than the state of the film universe. 

 

Batman as a hero goes through a lot of shit. If you think the killing joke was bad, things get a lot worse for him. His world is dark and and often very depressing.

 

Also, the purpose which I think you missed of Batgirl was that she was seen as sexy, intelligent and independent woman. She was Batman's female equivalent in many ways just as he is seen as a sexy, male, intelligent and independent man. She was a hero to many and the desire of many fans. 

 

This story arch essentially takes someone that men and women absolutely loved, someone that many men had as a pinup and care greatly about and then literally tore her apart. This showed how far the joker would go to break Batman,  how far Batman will go to hold onto what he believes, how strong Batgirl is to recover from it and how she reinvents herself. It took Batgirl to the edge, but readers got a good understanding of what Batman physically and mentally had to go through. You think you felt bad watching it, imagine how the bat felt! 

 

This story was incredible in terms of character building, exploring their depths, their strengths, their fears, and was really testing even for readers. To simplfy it to the sexualisation of Batgirl woukd be doing Batgirl a huge disservice. 

 

There is so much more to these characters that is completely ignored just because someone thinks it's about sexualisation.