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Has Apple lost its way?

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LurkerJ on 27 January 2016
fatslob-:O said:
LurkerJ said:

Little R&D? you absolutely have no idea what you are talking about. 

Deny it all you want ... 

lol, you are funny.

"In fact they spend very little on R&D relative to their size when it comes to being one of the leading technology companies ..."

Apple spent an estimated $6 billion in R&D in 2015. That's in no way little, so nothing to deny here. Comparing them to other tech companies that spends more doesn't make 6 billion dollars "very little". 

"Apple was never an innovator in my eyes"

The rest of the world objectively disagrees. You have a very narrow minded point of view on innovation. 



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fatslob-:O on 27 January 2016
LurkerJ said:

lol, you are funny.

"In fact they spend very little on R&D relative to their size when it comes to being one of the leading technology companies ..."

Apple spent an estimated $6 billion in R&D in 2015. That's in no way little, so nothing to deny here. Comparing them to other tech companies that spends more doesn't make 6 billion dollars "very little". 

"Apple was never an innovator in my eyes"

The rest of the world objectively disagrees. You have a very narrow minded point of view on innovation. 

Remember in my first post to this very thread I said "relative to size" ... 

All that cash yet the sum of their component manufacturer's dwarfs them when it comes to R&D spending ... 

It matters not what the world thinks just like how science isn't determined by a consensus ... 

Apple did not invent smartphones or tablets, period ... 

I must admit though that their very good at streamlining things and capitalizing on other corporations strengths ... 



LurkerJ on 27 January 2016
hershel_layton said:
Steve Jobs: Why have a pencil? You lose them, misplace them, yuk! We're already born with ten styluses(wiggles fingers)

(years later)

Apple: We shall give Steve Jobs a big middle finger by introducing an overpriced pencil for $100.

Oh, so clever. A classic example of the things pseudo-nerds would say

As far as I know that's the original iPhone being talked about , it was introduced when clicking on a screen with your finger didn't work well because resistive touch screens were the main technology used in devices that used a touchscreen. No one uses a stylus to interact with their smartphones nowadays, Apple killed the stylus as we knew it back then and replaced it effectively with our fingers. The new Apple stylus isn't used to interact with your device. It has its own purpose and its own apps that is aimed at a device with a 10 inches larger screen. 



LurkerJ on 27 January 2016
fatslob-:O said:
LurkerJ said:

lol, you are funny.

"In fact they spend very little on R&D relative to their size when it comes to being one of the leading technology companies ..."

Apple spent an estimated $6 billion in R&D in 2015. That's in no way little, so nothing to deny here. Comparing them to other tech companies that spends more doesn't make 6 billion dollars "very little". 

"Apple was never an innovator in my eyes"

The rest of the world objectively disagrees. You have a very narrow minded point of view on innovation. 

Remember in my first post to this very thread I said "relative to size" ... 

All that cash yet the sum of their component manufacturer's dwarfs them when it comes to R&D spending ... 

It matters not what the world thinks just like how science isn't determined by a consensus ... 

Apple did not invent smartphones or tablets, period ... 

I must admit though that their very good at streamlining things and capitalizing on other corporations strengths ... 

Component manufacturer's like Samsung? who makes TVs, fridges, washing machines, smartphones, laptops etc? Please... It's no secret that Apple is a laser focused company, one of Steve's motto. Do people want them to spend just because it's cool to spend on RD?

Implementing technologies in a compelling way in a real product that people want to buy and that isn't just a cool tech demo has been Apple's bread and butter, and it was Steve's main strength.

Apple DID invent the smartphones in their current extremely popular shape and form. In my eyes that's innovation.



deskpro2k3 on 27 January 2016

I'll start liking Apple once they start bringing their manufacturing jobs over to USA, and whenever that happens, I'll still use Andriod because it's better.



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archer9234 on 27 January 2016
TheFallen said:

It's not really just Apple though. The whole smartphone market has stagnated in incremental improvements. Next year will be a DECADE sionce the iPhone launched. A DECADE and what really has changed since touchscreen became the norm? The previous decade had new tech coming out every few years. Everyone remember the Nokia 3310? Then the colour phones, then flip phones, then Mp3 capable phones? The next big thing needs to happen soon, because until it does there's little reason to "upgrade" short of your phone dying.

That's a normal cycle of tech. Look at TV's. intill HD came out. The only reason you bought new ones, was because it broke. Or you wanted a bigger screen. The companies survived 50+ years. You don't always have to orgasm over a new version. Is it really bad if you keep a phone for 5 years? No. You don't upgrade chairs every year. They just work. And that's all dandy. Phones will be the same. They'll run out of new stuff. And there will be a leveling off. I'd rather the upgrades acutally be focused on making better batteries. Divert all work to making 8 hours or even 10 hour batteries. That area needs improvement. Not the stupid screen, or camera.





darkknightkryta on 27 January 2016
Puppyroach said:
darkknightkryta said:

That's the definition of innovation :P

Absolutely, but not in technology way, but rather user interface. When it comes to UI, I still think they are the best in the industry. But when it comes to technology they are lagging quite far behind the rest.

How are they behind in technology?  There's a huge convergence that happened.  Laptops, phones, tablets, etc, can't be better than what's being manufactured.  Apple uses the best of what's being manufactured.  They need to branch out to another sector.  If you mean that, then yes, they need to branch out.





Puppyroach on 27 January 2016

Soon Apple will release the iButtons, a twelve button interface on you phone that makes typing in phone numbers a breeze :P.



fatslob-:O on 27 January 2016
LurkerJ said:

Component manufacturer's like Samsung? who makes TVs, fridges, washing machines, smartphones, laptops etc? Please... It's no secret that Apple is a laser focused company, one of Steve's motto. Do people want them to spend just because it's cool to spend on RD?

Implementing technologies in a compelling way in a real product that people want to buy and that isn't just a cool tech demo has been Apple's bread and butter, and it was Steve's main strength.

Apple DID invent the smartphones in their current extremely popular shape and form. In my eyes that's innovation.

It's not just Samsung that's helping out Apple ... 

Apple practically has the ENTIRE semicnductor industry and others footing the bill for them ...



Soundwave on 27 January 2016
Puppyroach said:
Soundwave said:
They still make more money and have a larger cash reserve than many developed nation states do.

They're doing fine.

Nokia from 2000 says hi :).

 

Nokia was never in Apple's class. 

Apple is so far beyond any other electronics/computer company it's not even funny. Apple has like 6/10 highest corporate quarterly profit years in free market history

1. Fannie Mae (May 2013)  $53 bln (lol)

2. Apple (Jan. 2016) - $18.6 bln

3.) Apple (Jan. 2015) - $18 bln 

4.) Gazprom (Aug. 2011) - $16 bln

5.) Royal Dutch Shell (June 08) - $15.68 bln

6.) ExxonMobil (Sept 08) - $14.8 bln

7.) Apple (Apr 15) - $13.6 bln

8.) Apple (Jan 14) - $13.1 bln

9.) Apple (Jan 13) - $13.08 bln

10.) Apple (Jan 12) - $13.06 bln

 

Apple has 6/10 largest money making quarters in history, and companies like Fannie Mae and Gazprom are largely inflated by government paid subsidies, Apple makes all their money on their own. 

Apple has higher cash reserves than the United Kingdom, Denmark, Sweden, Germany, Canada, and the United States.