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zumnupy10 on 20 December 2015

Overall the movie is pretty good. Character portraits are fantastic and nothing in the movie betrays the Star Wars
mythology.

But your criticism about Rey's backstory is correct imo. I also found the fact that both Rey and Finn could pretty much match Kylo Ren in lightsaber combat a little weird to say the least, since they never had any training.

I give EPVII an 8.5/10 but it could be a 10/10 if it weren't by the inconsistencies I mentioned above.



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TruckOSaurus on 20 December 2015
morenoingrato said:
My biggest issue was that there was little explaination about the First Order, the Republic and also the fact the freaking capital of the republic went down that easily.

Yeah, it's one thing that's bothering me. I don't understand the current structure of the galaxy... why is the Resistance separate from the Republic? Why is Leia not part of the New Republic? How did the First Order came to be?





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tiff3110 on 20 December 2015

I didn't like it either. For an action film I found it quite boring and altho I think that the woman who plays Rey is a great actress I felt like the others were not.

I'm not a Star Wars super fan or anything, I've only watched the original trilogy once years ago and even to me the whole plot of the new movie seemed like a copy and paste of the first ones but with a female Luke now, it was just very lazy imo.

And was I supposed to care about the black guy? coz the only character interesting for me was Rey and to some extent the Darth Vader wannabe.



Darc Requiem on 20 December 2015
TruckOSaurus said:
morenoingrato said:
My biggest issue was that there was little explaination about the First Order, the Republic and also the fact the freaking capital of the republic went down that easily.

Yeah, it's one thing that's bothering me. I don't understand the current structure of the galaxy... why is the Resistance separate from the Republic? Why is Leia not part of the New Republic? How did the First Order came to be?

I agree that's a legitimate complaint. My best guess is that Empire splintered, sorta of like the Roman Empire after the death of Palpatine. The Rebellion and Senate gained control of some of the Empire's territory. The Republic and Empire morest likely came to some sort of peace accord. The Rebeillion would exist in the Empire's territory. The Republic would publically denounce the Rebellion while secretly supporting it. 





teigaga on 20 December 2015

I actually agree with almost everything you said but still enjoyed the film.

They sequel needs to invest more time into the narrative and world building, aswell as making the fan service invisible, so it doesn't throw off the paceof the film (something the han solo & princess leia's reunion unfortunately did)



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StarOcean on 20 December 2015
zumnupy10 said:

Overall the movie is pretty good. Character portraits are fantastic and nothing in the movie betrays the Star Wars
mythology.

But your criticism about Rey's backstory is correct imo. I also found the fact that both Rey and Finn could pretty much match Kylo Ren in lightsaber combat a little weird to say the least, since they never had any training.

I give EPVII an 8.5/10 but it could be a 10/10 if it weren't by the inconsistencies I mentioned above.

Well the thing is, 1. Kylo was wounded when he was shot by Chewie & is currently going through a lot since he had just killed his dad and is still really confused over what to do and 2. He's out of practice. This is probably his first lightsaber fight since training with Luke, which was seemingly YEARS ago. So we have an enraged/confused dude who (probably) for the first time has been challenged by anyone and then realizes, "Oh shit, I haven't actually had a lightsaber fight in years" -which is apparent with the way he fights. Finn doesn't really put up a fight, he's just using the lightsaber like a sword just like anyone would. You don't need to be a Jedi to know how to hold or use a lightsaber (General Grievous was able to use them well without being force sensitive), you do, however, need to be intune with the force to stand a chance against someone with the force + a bit of training -which Finn didn't. He exchanged a few blows and then got his ass handed to him. Rey was angry that she lost "the father she never had" and used that along with the force to fight off Kylo. Even then she was obviously untrained with the way she fought. Plus she had been using a stick to fight with her whole life anyway Plus I'm almost 99% sure Rey is a Skywalker which would explain why she's so good with the force XD





Virlando on 20 December 2015
Volterra_90 said:
Virlando said:

1. No, he was obviously troubled the whole movie between dark and light. It's obvious that he's not sure on what to do when he first encountered Solo, as it was stated in the film that he has his doubts about the dark side. And plenty of Jedis were shot on the saga. Look at the Order 66 on Revenge of the sith. Or that colisseum scene on Attack of the Clones. 

2. About Rey, she was awakening (you see, the movie is called The Force Awakens from some reason), and we see her improving her powers in that scene with the Stormtrooper when she was captured. So, no, she didn't know how to use The Force before, that's very, very obvious. She's learning. Force is awakening in her. More, you are complaining because Ren is not powerful. Well, you saw all the movie how powerful that Chewbacca's crossbow is. So it's impressive that he could take the shot and not being killed. Which proves he was actually severely wounded in that battle. And how do you not see that he is severely wounded? Jesus, he was just hitting himself the whole fight because of the pain. I don't want to be rude, but I think you missed some parts of the movie, or just don't pay attention and think it's inconsistent, and it's not. It has its flaws, true. Like taking an awful lot of references from A New Hope. But it's fairly consistent. 

1. I didn't see how troubled he was. He was slaying everyone left and right as he wanted. He was dark side all the way. If there was a chance to make me think he was troubled, then I will see the movie again and tell you if I changed my mind, or, as I said before, it's again the fault of poorly written script. 

Do you remember what he said to Han Solo when he called him on the ramp? He said 'I was waiting for this moment'. Saying thing like that made me think that he already know what he is going to do. We can argue on this but I think it would be wise to let it go.

If you want to see this from different perspectieve, then please: I think the whole lightsabre fighting was nonsense. He was badly wounded but he fought. He force pushed Ray to fight the Finn. Why just not push one then take down with the force the other and slay them in the first place. Why risking fighting while being wounded. It's just the story... bad written story... 

2. The force was awakening in Ray. I love the character but.... the force was awakening... it was awakening in her... lets awake the force!... anybody?... no... sorry. Someone made a good point on this: It's like matrix, you have the hardware (force sensitive) so you just download the software (become a jedi in one moment) and let's start with the kung fu. It was disappointing how they degraded the force. It doesn't matter how strong and who was, but rather how uniqe was the feeling and knowledge of the force. It never was something what you could achieve by just 'letting it in' (download and install and let the magic happen). It makes me said. It actually changes all the universe if that is what they are trying to pull out of it. Let's be super powerful heroes from now on and kawabanga!

My friend, I don't think you understand what I am trying to tell you. If you are saying that I didn't pay attention, then I am afraid that you didn't pay attention throughout the entire saga so far. Or I can put this in simple words. Maybe STAR WARS are different for everybody. And I don't think that is something wrong to be honest. I love the way you are explaining those things for me, but, like I said, you are missing my point. Meditate on this I will to put it into more approachable way. 

I couldn't remember nothing worth notice when the movie ended. I just can't think of nothing except of what I already knew. There is resistance, the first order and the blaster fire is in place too. Nothing fascinating, really. I know what they wnted to achieve, but for me it doesn't worked out. If you enjoyed the movie more than me, then I am happy for you. I wish I was the same. As a Guardians of the Galaxy it would be a great movie. But it's not the case.

Maybe we should speak now about the positive aspects of the movie. ?

Well, everybody has his own opinion, so that's fine for me. Sorry if I sounded too mean, I didn't mean it ;). The most important point, my opinion about the Force, is that is something that change depending on the person. There're some people who're a little force-sensitive, and these people take a lot of time on grasping all about it. While there are some people that just advance quick. Look at Anakin, for example. He was capable of pod-racing as a human younling, when it was stated that is something almost impossible to do. I guess Rey's Force and habilities were always there, but they started to awake as long as she started to have adventures and risk herself. But we have two movies to go to know about that and make a final opinion. 

It's just stupid. Driving podracer has nothing to do to be a trained jedi. He had the reflexes of a Jedi but he learned how to be one and how to use the force for a long time. You are ignorant and I am waisting my time with you. I called it. Sorry, as I mean to respect al the beings.. Ypou just don't want to see it through. Take care now, bye bye then.





Virlando on 20 December 2015
DakonBlackblade said:
Virlando said:

My friend, I am not speaking about the vision itself, I am saying that she didn't need to touch anything to have a vision. That's my point. Visions are something very common in the Universe. I understand the visions, but they're coming from the force not from any objects used as triggers.

The object didnt cause the vision, the Force did, The Force called her to that room so she could retrive the lightsaber and when she reached it and retrieved the iten, she was shown a vision. The lightsaber itself, ahving belonged ot who it belonged to, is entwined with The Force so it makes sense that rey was drawn to it when she started to awaken to her Force powers.

What the heck are you talking about?!?! The item which posses the force itself? Is it some kind of magic wand or something from the movie you watched? I am sorry. I am tired of your lack of vision. Don't wan't to talk anymor. But I wish you no harm. Go to sleep, and wake up sober.

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Virlando on 20 December 2015

shikamaru317 said:
1... I've got to disagree with you overall. I think it's in the top 3 of the 7 movies so far, though I haven't yet decided if I like it more than ESB or ROTJ.

2... However, I agree that they really didn't explain much about what happened between episodes 6 and 7.

3... Why is the resistance a separate thing from the New Republic, shouldn't the New Republic have a military that is fighting the First Order too, or did the New Republic and First Order fight to a stand still and now have tentative peace after a cease fire agreement? 


4... Who are the Knights of Ren; were they other students of Luke's who fell to the Dark Side at the same time as Kylo, or were they a preexisting group of Dark Jedi or Sith who enticed Kylo to the dark side and got him to betray Luke and his fellow Jedi classmates?

5... What is the First Order exactly? Remnants of the Empire clearly. But who is Snoke, was he with the Empire all along, or is he an outsider who found the remnants of the Empire squabbling amongst themselves for power and decided to take control of them for his own uses?

6... Presumably these are things that will be expanded upon in the new canon Expanded Universe, and in Episode 8 and 9, but it would have been nice to get more background information in episode 7.

1. Well, my friend. I wish you good luck.

2. They destroyed everything about the STAR WARS Universe, regarding the meaning of the force and the Jedi, and what the main plot was about, making a mediocre action movie to enterntain masses with silly and stupid ignorant moments. We are not talking about the STAR WARS anymore. Sorry, it's how it is nowaday. Don't giveup, you'll live another day.

3. Cease fire agreemaent? I am not feeling well right now. Say, do you like to believe in every turn on the wheel of fortune?. Sorry, but I could't draw anything else from you at this time.

4. HAHAHAHAHA. I hope not... HAHAHAHA. That would be just plain stupid... HAHAHAHA!

5. Are you serious? A guy like that has to have his own agenda, he is not waiting blindly what will come and take the scraps of it.... I hope you'll understand.

6.You know what? I think we should write an eulogy for the Episode and hope that nobody else will try to focus on completing the story in the future... Thank you and have a good night. Oyasuminasai.





Volterra_90 on 20 December 2015
Virlando said:
Volterra_90 said:

Well, everybody has his own opinion, so that's fine for me. Sorry if I sounded too mean, I didn't mean it ;). The most important point, my opinion about the Force, is that is something that change depending on the person. There're some people who're a little force-sensitive, and these people take a lot of time on grasping all about it. While there are some people that just advance quick. Look at Anakin, for example. He was capable of pod-racing as a human younling, when it was stated that is something almost impossible to do. I guess Rey's Force and habilities were always there, but they started to awake as long as she started to have adventures and risk herself. But we have two movies to go to know about that and make a final opinion. 

It's just stupid. Driving podracer has nothing to do to be a trained jedi. He had the reflexes of a Jedi but he learned how to be one and how to use the force for a long time. You are ignorant and I am waisting my time with you. I called it. Sorry, as I mean to respect al the beings.. Ypou just don't want to see it through. Take care now, bye bye then.

Ad-hominem attack. I'm getting used to them on the internet. It means that I won't waste more time. Take care, then ;)