StarOcean said: I've been insulted by a ton of the Star Wars fan base for liking the prequels. But I don't really care. I don't really see them as any better or worse than the original trilogy. I saw them all roughly the same time so I saw them almost in order (1, 4, 5, 6 and then waited for 2 and 3 to come out). To me they're just stupid kids movies that your turn off your brain to watch and I love them for that. When I watch a Star Wars movie I'm not overly worried about the amazing lore, back story you have to read 10 books to understand and all that bullshit. They're just movies. Puppets, CGI, they're both just as good. I couldn't care less. Only thing I hate is the political scenes in the PT. The vast majority of prequel haters can't even think on their own, often relying on Mr. Plinkett's review of the OG Trilogy as their justification for proving why they're the worst thing in human history. I do love those reviews XD but I can't help but notice the over reliance on those reviews, most just plagiarizing word for word Mr. Plinkett

I'm not judging your opinion in itself, you think and like what you want, but inside a discussion comparing trilogies, if you think starwars movies [are just stupid kids movies that your turn off your brain to watch], why should anyone care about your opinion, or think you have a point ?

Norris2k said: StarOcean said: I've been insulted by a ton of the Star Wars fan base for liking the prequels. But I don't really care. I don't really see them as any better or worse than the original trilogy. I saw them all roughly the same time so I saw them almost in order (1, 4, 5, 6 and then waited for 2 and 3 to come out). To me they're just stupid kids movies that your turn off your brain to watch and I love them for that. When I watch a Star Wars movie I'm not overly worried about the amazing lore, back story you have to read 10 books to understand and all that bullshit. They're just movies. Puppets, CGI, they're both just as good. I couldn't care less. Only thing I hate is the political scenes in the PT. The vast majority of prequel haters can't even think on their own, often relying on Mr. Plinkett's review of the OG Trilogy as their justification for proving why they're the worst thing in human history. I do love those reviews XD but I can't help but notice the over reliance on those reviews, most just plagiarizing word for word Mr. Plinkett I'm not judging your opinion in itself, you think and like what you want, but inside a discussion comparing trilogies, if you think starwars movies [are just stupid kids movies that your turn off your brain to watch], why should anyone care about your opinion, or think you have a point ?

To balance out the people who over exaggerate how "awful" they are. I can relate to the OP, I remember being young and super into Star Wars and loving all of them but the moment I would say how I liked the prequels the people would just dismiss anything I had to say about Star Wars after the fact. I used to have a passion for them, I still like them, but that passion burned out when I got attacked any chance I got by the "real" SW fans. Plus I like talking about Star Wars when I can, especially when no other forum hot topics peak my interest. 

I don't really believe the nostalgic explanation. When I see nowaday Karate kid or goonies, even if I feel somewhat nostalgic, I personally really see terribly bad movies. Gremlins and Ghostbuster, never ending story, and back to the future remain kind of fun if you grew up with it, but it's terribly outdated, poor in term of dialogues, acting, plot, significance, and filming. I can't help but see a great movie every time I watch Episode 5, one of the better movie I've ever seen (among thousands). The emotional charge, atmosphere, actor play, dialogues, the philosophical background, roots, cult scenes are there, wether you grew up with it or not, and I believe that's where the prestige come from. I understand someone that grew up 20 years later could not like it, because he just doesn't like it, or because he's used to current movies with impressive FX, massive action, etc., but that's a different topic than prestige.

As I mentioned earlier, George Lucas having too much control with the prequels hurt those films, although by Episode III, you could tell he was becoming aware of some of the flaws with the other two films. That being said, I don't dislike the prequels. I actually like Revenge of the Sith better than Return of the Jedi, which I felt was rather weak compared to Empire Strikes Back. However, there is another problem that I didn't bing up yet and I'm not sure if anyone else did.

Despite the myth surrounding the original Star Wars trilogy, it was not this epic story that was planned out into three parts from the beginning. After all, both the astroid chase scene from Empire Strikes Back and the Battle of Endor from Return of the Jedi was supposed to be in A New Hope. This didn't happen because it was impossible so Lucas saved those ideas for a potential sequel. However, he also didn't know if the first movie would do well enough for a sequel to happen. Because of this, the first three movies were made to be complete films within themselves, although one could argue that even during the making of the second one, they kind of knew a third one was going to happen. With the prequel trilogy, they knew how many movies there were going to be and how to connect the dots. As a result, you got movies that didn't necessarily feel like complete movies but instead felt like serials. While that isn't necessarily a bad thing, it meant that the quality of the storytelling for each movie wasn't the same as the originals.

In the end, there's no way this could have been avoided. Star Wars was a poorly thought out, poorly planned series of movies. This includes the original trilogy with those promotional images of Princess Leia clutching on to the thigh of the man who would turn out to be her brother. With this new trilogy, they might be better off since the entire series now takes place after all the other movies already happened.

StarOcean said: Norris2k said: StarOcean said: I've been insulted by a ton of the Star Wars fan base for liking the prequels. But I don't really care. I don't really see them as any better or worse than the original trilogy. I saw them all roughly the same time so I saw them almost in order (1, 4, 5, 6 and then waited for 2 and 3 to come out). To me they're just stupid kids movies that your turn off your brain to watch and I love them for that. When I watch a Star Wars movie I'm not overly worried about the amazing lore, back story you have to read 10 books to understand and all that bullshit. They're just movies. Puppets, CGI, they're both just as good. I couldn't care less. Only thing I hate is the political scenes in the PT. The vast majority of prequel haters can't even think on their own, often relying on Mr. Plinkett's review of the OG Trilogy as their justification for proving why they're the worst thing in human history. I do love those reviews XD but I can't help but notice the over reliance on those reviews, most just plagiarizing word for word Mr. Plinkett I'm not judging your opinion in itself, you think and like what you want, but inside a discussion comparing trilogies, if you think starwars movies [are just stupid kids movies that your turn off your brain to watch], why should anyone care about your opinion, or think you have a point ? To balance out the people who over exaggerate how "awful" they are. I can relate to the OP, I remember being young and super into Star Wars and loving all of them but the moment I would say how I liked the prequels the people would just dismiss anything I had to say about Star Wars after the fact. I used to have a passion for them, I still like them, but that passion burned out when I got attacked any chance I got by the "real" SW fans. Plus I like talking about Star Wars when I can, especially when no other forum hot topics peak my interest.

I can understand, but you will never convince anyone that the prequel is not awful by saying both trilogies are just stupid movies for kids. Could I have a point in an imaginary discussion comparing big mac and double whopper if I don't like hamburger that much anymore and think they are both stupid food for fast food junkies and fat kids ? Even if they were !

I think the hate on the prequel are kind higher than they are deserved. Kinda like the latest Zelda game that keep on being on the hate list of fans.

I really hated episode 1, with Darth Maul and maybe Qui Gon being the only good thing that the movie had to offer. I thought ep2 was ok, while ep3 was pretty good imo.

Or maybe you are looking into things too much

I just watched ANH a few nights ago. The Obiwan/Vader fight is really bad compared every other star wars saber battle. But, to give them some benefit of the doupt, they likely would have been rusty at that point. Neither would have likely been in a saber duel for over what 30 years or so.

The prequels in my eyes are a bit of missed opportunity in terms of story and effects (some effects look dated now). But nothing some cuts here and there (like town down the Jar-Jar (even though his role in Attack of the Clones is very well used)) and some touching up the effects can't fix.

I think it's a very good example of how the trilogies are totally different.

The fight is more than bad, it's terrible, and it was impossible to hide even with heavy editing. So I agree that on a technical perspective, that's by far the worst light saber duel of any starwars movie. But Alec Guiness is an excellent actor (a very long career, academy award, Golden globe for this role), served by great dialogues that build a character that is a sort of wise monk-like samurai telling ancient stories, he has a powerful presence on screen, so I care about him, I would not like him to die. So, when he meet his ancient enemy, there is some tension, you kind of worry, but this guy, and that's very consistent, he doesn't loose the fight because of his skill or a bad move, he embraces death with a very peaceful face and die without any blood. And he won by doing that. And that's just so cool, surprising and still consistant, that's deep and inspiring, that's the star wars I liked.

Darth Maul, I mean, great fight, so much better fight, but he can die, I just can't care, he doesn't have any characterization and dialogue. And the moment before he dies, and again the moment he dies, he makes a so stupid face... and that's not by accident, because the guy is not even an actor, he's a stuntman (and that's for real). You can watch it for yourself : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPfgSFLrAVE

So, including the background, the ending, the novelty, the acting, I still prefer the scene from ANH. I don't really care about seeing a long chinese kung fu-like fight with bad acting and no character development, I can't be impressed or inspired by that.