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Puppyroach said:
TheGoldenBoy said:
Not at all surprising. It'll be interesting to see though you many people try to use this and Ant-Man as evidence that superhero movies are declining now.

But Ant-Man has been successful?

It has, but because it didn't make over $500 million or something some people will claim that it's a sign of decline in superhero movies. Those that understand will obviously know that Ant-Man did very well considering its budget and audience.



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binary solo said:
TheGoldenBoy said:
Not at all surprising. It'll be interesting to see though you many people try to use this and Ant-Man as evidence that superhero movies are declining now.

Wrt Ant-Man it all depends on what Marvel-Disney's expectations were for it. It has the lowest production budget out of all th MCU movies, which is a clear indication that they had modest expectations for it. And because of it's modest (for a MCU movie) budget it has already gone well past break even. I think Marvel-Disney are more than happy with how Ant-Man did. You can't expect every MCU movie to make $600M+ as long as every movie is profitable at the box office there is no reason to look to an early end for MCU movies.

F4 on the otherhand will be put on extended, indefinite leave until the collective memories of the moviegoing public forget this particular version ever existed.

@bolded: Exactly. I think it honestly did much better than expected. I was expecting much worse until reviews said it was actually a good movie. 

You can look at this thread and already see a few people using this movie as "evidence" to support the idea that superhero movies are going to decline soon.



I hope this flops.

Not just because I want to see Marvel/Disney get the rights but because it comes off like a movie that hates being a superhero movie.



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binary solo said:

But in terms of how bad the movie is, it deserves a box office something more like Gigli. The fact it might end up with $50 million world wide in its first weekend is too good for it.

F4 is benefiting from the Marvel hype even though it isn't associated with the MCU in any way, other than coming from the same source universe, which only comic book fans really know. To put it bluntly, I reckon this movie would have got 1/2 what it looks like getting if the MCU series of movies didn't exist.

Interesting that boxoffice mojo was predicitng $45 million before Friday numbers rolled in.

Oh, you could tell they were really pushing for that, too.  They made sure the big Marvel logo was the first thing you see in every trailer.  Hoping to piggyback off the Avengers, no doubt. 

Unfortunately, it seems Marvel tried to do that themselves with the Ant-Man movie.  All trailers I have seen just make that look like a mediocre movie.  It definitely isn't making Marvel any money, at least not til it releases on DVD/Bluray.  Probably break even at the box office when all is said and done.  Marvel just needs to be careful of not flooding the theatres with cheap movies that don't exactly respect the source material, just trying to make a quick buck on the name.  Otherwise the hype will die for the superhero genre.  I don't think they will do that, but man, are other studios trying to.



thismeintiel said:
binary solo said:

But in terms of how bad the movie is, it deserves a box office something more like Gigli. The fact it might end up with $50 million world wide in its first weekend is too good for it.

F4 is benefiting from the Marvel hype even though it isn't associated with the MCU in any way, other than coming from the same source universe, which only comic book fans really know. To put it bluntly, I reckon this movie would have got 1/2 what it looks like getting if the MCU series of movies didn't exist.

Interesting that boxoffice mojo was predicitng $45 million before Friday numbers rolled in.

Oh, you could tell they were really pushing for that, too.  They made sure the big Marvel logo was the first thing you see in every trailer.  Hoping to piggyback off the Avengers, no doubt. 

Unfortunately, it seems Marvel tried to do that themselves with the Ant-Man movie.  All trailers I have seen just make that look like a mediocre movie.  It definitely isn't making Marvel any money, at least not til it releases on DVD/Bluray.  Probably break even at the box office when all is said and done.  Marvel just needs to be careful of not flooding the theatres with cheap movies that don't exactly respect the source material, just trying to make a quick buck on the name.  Otherwise the hype will die for the superhero genre.  I don't think they will do that, but man, are other studios trying to.

No way man. Ant-Man is already well past break even. Marvel/Disney was smart enough to have modest expectations for it, so they gave it the lowest budget out of all MCU movies to date. That means it got past break even at about the $260 million point, and now Ant-Man is over $300 million with a few more weeks of reasonable box office receipts to go. I think the box office taking should give Disney about $30-50 million in profit.According to the industry rule of thum Dosney's already profited about $15 million from Ant-Man. So they've made over 10% return, not bad.



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jonager said:
it seems people are finally getting fed up of superheroes movies, it was about time.


Agreed.  I've been sick of fuckin' superhero movies since the first Avengers movie came out.  Enough is enough.

Try to think of something original Hollywood, if you dare.

 

P.S. -  I hope Batman vs. Superman as well as the stupid Tarzan movie tank as well next year.  Fuck superhero movies.



I would rather have a dozen decent superhero movies than have Hollywood attempt to be original anymore. Their current idea of originality is making sequels to 20 year old movies, while on the side, they maintain the idea of rebooting things that don't need rebooting. After movies have continued to evolve for over 100 years from their humble beginnings, we're hitting the point where it's hard as hell to produce something we see as original that we don't also see as crap.



 

onionberry said:
is the movie really that bad? for me it's a no go because I can't stand Michael B. Jordan nor Miles Teller.


Never seen anything with Miles Teller in it but Michael B. Jordan was pretty good in Fruitvale Station.



That's what they get for killing Doom. Now the movie is Doomed. :p



binary solo said:
thismeintiel said:
binary solo said:

But in terms of how bad the movie is, it deserves a box office something more like Gigli. The fact it might end up with $50 million world wide in its first weekend is too good for it.

F4 is benefiting from the Marvel hype even though it isn't associated with the MCU in any way, other than coming from the same source universe, which only comic book fans really know. To put it bluntly, I reckon this movie would have got 1/2 what it looks like getting if the MCU series of movies didn't exist.

Interesting that boxoffice mojo was predicitng $45 million before Friday numbers rolled in.

Oh, you could tell they were really pushing for that, too.  They made sure the big Marvel logo was the first thing you see in every trailer.  Hoping to piggyback off the Avengers, no doubt. 

Unfortunately, it seems Marvel tried to do that themselves with the Ant-Man movie.  All trailers I have seen just make that look like a mediocre movie.  It definitely isn't making Marvel any money, at least not til it releases on DVD/Bluray.  Probably break even at the box office when all is said and done.  Marvel just needs to be careful of not flooding the theatres with cheap movies that don't exactly respect the source material, just trying to make a quick buck on the name.  Otherwise the hype will die for the superhero genre.  I don't think they will do that, but man, are other studios trying to.

No way man. Ant-Man is already well past break even. Marvel/Disney was smart enough to have modest expectations for it, so they gave it the lowest budget out of all MCU movies to date. That means it got past break even at about the $260 million point, and now Ant-Man is over $300 million with a few more weeks of reasonable box office receipts to go. I think the box office taking should give Disney about $30-50 million in profit.According to the industry rule of thum Dosney's already profited about $15 million from Ant-Man. So they've made over 10% return, not bad.

No it hasn't.  They are only seeing about 55% or so (maybe lower for foreign markets) from the reciepts.  And that is only for the first few weeks, then the percentage begins to drop.  Add in marketing budget and there is no way they are break even on a filming budget of $130M with ~$165M from ticket revenue.  Probably closing in on it, but trust me, they were hoping that movie did better.  Not sure we'll see an Ant-Man 2.

It's even worse when you compare it to something that had even less name recognition and a little higher budget ($170M), Guardians of the Galaxy.  It went on to make $774M WW, so they probably took home ~$425M, or $255M profit.  They aren't seeing any kind of return like that with Ant-Man.