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nuckles87 on 12 July 2015
mornelithe said:
Normchacho said:

1. Supermans reactions would have to match up with how much of a threat Batman poses to him. Which, up until the kryptonite suit, would be pretty much none. So, Superman vs. Batman in kryptonite suit battle takes place since this is the first time Superman realizes that Batman is a real threat.

2. How can he be careful to avoid something he doesn't even know exsists? It's also much more likely that he doesn't know about kryptonite. How would he find out about it? How would he know it's in Batmans suit before getting close enough to feel it? The last part of your #2 is a huge nit-pick. He's an alien that came from another planet who can fly and shoot lasers. You have to give the story SOME scientific leeway.

3. You said it yourself, Superman knows who Batman is and what he does. He knows Batman fights crime and is just trying to do what he thinks is right. So he wouldn't be a bad guy to Superman. Plus, how on earth would he be able to just start blowing up all of Bruce Waynes shit without drawing lots of attention to himself and Bruce Wayne? You don't think anybody would have questions? Like...Why did Superman blow up that guys house? Is Superman evil? I mean...he just ruined that guys life for no apparant reason... Why did Batman stop showing up after all of Bruce Waynes shit got blown up? 

A conflict between Superman and Batman isn't that hard to grasp. For all we know Superman could just be trying to convince Batman that he isn't his enemy, which Aflred actually hints at in the new trailer. So killing him, or blowing up his shit would be pretty counter-productive.

Edit: I agree, this is a bunch of fun haha

Double edit: Though I doubt this is the way the movie will go, it's also possible that the kryptonite was created when the world engine was trying to turn the earth into krypton.

1. True, but a smart first  move would be to destroy everything Batman owns.  Which given hyper sensitive hearing, shouldn't pose a challenge.

2. That's the thing, wouldn't it be reasonable to suggest that Superman would assume anything from Krypton could effect his powers, since he already has felt such effects just by the atmospheric change?  As such, step 1 takes care of that problem.  And he doesn't even need to touch Batman.  As far as Superman answering questions, like he did with the General, he can just say he's their ally, but on his own terms.  Bruce Wayne crossed a line and had to be taught his place lol.  As far as the nitpick, it's not really a nitpick.  We can allow that the Kryptonians had faster than light travel, but the fastest recorded object in space (that I could find) is a cluster of galaxies hurtled our direction by a giant black hole (traveling roughly 300km/s).  That's what, 1000th the speed of light?  Maybe it's just me, but if the science denies the possibility of fragments of krypton reaching Earth w/in Superman's lifetime, that presents an insurmountable hill for me.

3. Then I'm not sure I'd be all that interested in this movie either, what, is Superman going to spend every single goddamn movie trying to prove his innocence/sincerity to people?  I'm already tired of that freakin plot.  Come up with something else lol.

Your Double Edit is a good one though, and yeah, that would solve the whole distance problem quite well.  Will be interesting to see how that works out.

 

Alright, this is bugging me, so I have a question for you:

Let's assume Superman knows what Kryptonite is, knows it can hurt him, and knows to avoid it (which he really wouldn't, since being exposed to an alien atmosphere inside an enemy ship isn't the same as just being exposed to a glowing green rock he wouldn't recognize or be able to identify as "part" of krypton). How would he know it's in Batman's suit before he gets close to it?

 



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mornelithe on 12 July 2015
nuckles87 said:

Alright, this is bugging me, so I have a question for you:

Let's assume Superman knows what Kryptonite is, knows it can hurt him, and knows to avoid it (which he really wouldn't, since being exposed to an alien atmosphere inside an enemy ship isn't the same as just being exposed to a glowing green rock he wouldn't recognize or be able to identify as "part" of krypton). How would he know it's in Batman's suit before he gets close to it?

 

How was this suit put together?  Telekenesis? Batman would presumably have talked about this a number of times.  Who hears talking, really really well?  Who might just be keeping an ear out for the word Krypton?  Seriously, think about it, unless Batman just writes all this shit down, Superman should know about it in advance. :D



Hynad on 12 July 2015
mornelithe said:
nuckles87 said:

Alright, this is bugging me, so I have a question for you:

Let's assume Superman knows what Kryptonite is, knows it can hurt him, and knows to avoid it (which he really wouldn't, since being exposed to an alien atmosphere inside an enemy ship isn't the same as just being exposed to a glowing green rock he wouldn't recognize or be able to identify as "part" of krypton). How would he know it's in Batman's suit before he gets close to it?

 

How was this suit put together?  Telekenesis? Batman would presumably have talked about this a number of times.  Who hears talking, really really well?  Who might just be keeping an ear out for the word Krypton?  Seriously, think about it, unless Batman just writes all this shit down, Superman should know about it in advance. :D


It's not the Silver Age anymore...

Superman isn't omnipresent, nor is he omniscient.



DialgaMarine on 12 July 2015

Seeing Wonderwoman in there, this honestly makes the Avengers/ Civil War films irrelevant.



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mornelithe on 12 July 2015
Hynad said:
mornelithe said:

How was this suit put together?  Telekenesis? Batman would presumably have talked about this a number of times.  Who hears talking, really really well?  Who might just be keeping an ear out for the word Krypton?  Seriously, think about it, unless Batman just writes all this shit down, Superman should know about it in advance. :D


It's not the Silver Age anymore...

Superman isn't omnipresent, nor is he omniscient.

Super hearing, doesn't really mean omniscient.  You'd still have thought that eluded your awareness.  And while he can move real fast-like, he's never been omnipresent (he is not Dr. Manhattan).

The point is, he can still hear really well (heard his mother yell from half way around the country, right?)  So, if someone's talking about Krypton, it's entirely possible he'd hear that.  So, I don't see how it's unreasonable to suggest that Superman could hear Batman ask Lucious to incorporate Kryptonite into his armor and do something pro-active like.



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Hynad on 12 July 2015
mornelithe said:
Hynad said:


It's not the Silver Age anymore...

Superman isn't omnipresent, nor is he omniscient.

Super hearing, doesn't really mean omniscient.  You'd still have thought that eluded your awareness.  And while he can move real fast-like, he's never been omnipresent (he is not Dr. Manhattan).

The point is, he can still hear really well (heard his mother yell from half way around the country, right?)  So, if someone's talking about Krypton, it's entirely possible he'd hear that.  So, I don't see how it's unreasonable to suggest that Superman could hear Batman ask Lucious to incorporate Kryptonite into his armor and do something pro-active like.

Indeed. Superman should always be focused on everything at once and nothing should ever, ever go passed him.

Basically, you see Superman as one who has no flaws and who is all knowing.

You don't seem to realize that Batman is the kind of character who would do his best to finds ways to counter Superman's powers. By making his cave sound-proof to Superman and coated with lead.



mornelithe on 12 July 2015
Hynad said:
mornelithe said:

Super hearing, doesn't really mean omniscient.  You'd still have thought that eluded your awareness.  And while he can move real fast-like, he's never been omnipresent (he is not Dr. Manhattan).

The point is, he can still hear really well (heard his mother yell from half way around the country, right?)  So, if someone's talking about Krypton, it's entirely possible he'd hear that.  So, I don't see how it's unreasonable to suggest that Superman could hear Batman ask Lucious to incorporate Kryptonite into his armor and do something pro-active like.

Indeed. Superman should always be focused on everything at once and nothing should ever, ever go passed him.

Basically, you see Superman as one who has no flaws and who is all knowing.

Never said that?  Where'd I say that?  Come on, stop using hyperbole, this is an amusing game that started with someone else.  Nothing more.  Never said he should be focused on everything, said he'd probably be pretty sensitive to the word Krypton, since...you know, he always has been.  I mean, they literally brought in Neil Degrasse Tyson to actually pinpoint Krypton's location, I think it means something to him.  Can't put my finger on it though :P



Hynad on 12 July 2015
mornelithe said:
Hynad said:

Indeed. Superman should always be focused on everything at once and nothing should ever, ever go passed him.

Basically, you see Superman as one who has no flaws and who is all knowing.

Never said that?  Where'd I say that?  Come on, stop using hyperbole, this is an amusing game that started with someone else.  Nothing more.  Never said he should be focused on everything, said he'd probably be pretty sensitive to the word Krypton, since...you know, he always has been.  I mean, they literally brought in Neil Degrasse Tyson to actually pinpoint Krypton's location, I think it means something to him.  Can't put my finger on it though :P


Yes, but we don't know what this Kryptonite will be like in this movie universe. Is it a fragment of Krypton as it was, or is it a material from it that got altered by the planets' explosion, making it radioactive in the process? Superman would most likely not know [at first] that it would weaken him, if it's the latter.



mornelithe on 12 July 2015
Hynad said:
mornelithe said:

Never said that?  Where'd I say that?  Come on, stop using hyperbole, this is an amusing game that started with someone else.  Nothing more.  Never said he should be focused on everything, said he'd probably be pretty sensitive to the word Krypton, since...you know, he always has been.  I mean, they literally brought in Neil Degrasse Tyson to actually pinpoint Krypton's location, I think it means something to him.  Can't put my finger on it though :P


Yes, but we don't know what this Kryptonite will be like in this movie universe. Is it a fragment of Krypton as it was, or is it a material from it that got altered by the planets' explosion, making it radioactive in the process? Superman would most likely not know [at first] that it would weaken him, if it's the latter.

And how would Batman know that works against Superman?  Isn't it like a handful of military personel (at most) and Lois Lane who know that the atmosphere of Krypton sapped his powers?  I mean, you said it yourself, how would Batman know what Kryptonite is?  How would he know that shards of Krypton would have the same effect as the environment?  Lucky guess?



melbye on 12 July 2015

I don't why but i absolutely love the grapnel-shot