They were certainly usefull but were almost the only multis wii got. oh, ps3 and x360 weren't better systems to play cod, all thanks to the wii remote. and the first cod on wii outsold the ps3 version, it was only after mw3 skipped the wii that sales declined. fifa was better on the others because of graphics and EA's lack of focus.

That still doesn't change the fact that the wii got very few multiplatforms. If it had the same multi support, we know what would happen.

Ignoring everything that I said? I'll say it one more time: THE GAMECUBE DIDN'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO GETTING ALL/MOST 3RD PARTIY GAMES OF THE GEN.

And that was besides releasing after ps2 had already established itself. Was it clear now?

Though I don't disagree with you I can't help but cite that as 3rd parties bieng the issue, if their games are not of a good standard then Nintendo has the right to turn them away, in the end it just appears as though 3rd parties have been given too much freedom and too much leeway that they are able to get away with what they want, imo 3rd parties should be kept in check because this isn't doing the indsutry any favours other than it working on one platform while being crap on the rest or working on 2-3 platforms but ignoring the 4th.

There's just so much wrong with this post, I barely know where to start..

"Nintendo will never make a comeback, because the two "major" consoles are now PS and XBox, and third party publishers will never be inclined to return to Nintendo, as it has shown that it cannot sell consoles just based on its first-party games."

Third parties are always inclined to develop for nintendo, they don't for shadier reasons.

"Nintendo is a company stuck in the 20th century, making games stuck in the 20th century, and people are not interested in those games anymore, as can be seen by the WiiU results."

Nintendo is the only company that keeps making quality non rehashed games, and people are so interested that their biggest games always sells in the millions.

"Its next console, the announced NX will probably sell even worse, and will mark Nintendo's exit from home console market. That is why it was very wise of them to make a push towards mobile games, as that is where they should seek their fortune in the future.

I truly believe their home console existence is approaching the end very soon."

They don't have any home console announced and predicting the performance of an unnanounced machine that we know nothing of is just... wrong.

Even with it being fans I'd still see that being fare, I saw with what happened with Rayman, WD and other titles, it's not like they got the ebst service made possible from 3rd parties, if they don't give you good quality and the time of day then I don't see why they should make much of a profit, 3rd parties are hardly saints that could do no wrong.

No I'm not a PC only fan, I'm a multiplatformer with a pref of having PC as my main platform, just like others on here have their Xbox,Playstation and nintendo as their mains. PC gives them unlimited freedom but that doesn't always guarantee they'll produce quality, in fact 3rd party titles mostly start with the lower hardware and then try scaling up to higher end hardware and those results aren't too great, it should be the other way around though but it;s never going to happen with the degree of freedom they possess, I don't want complete and utter freedom stripped from them though, I just want them to sort themselves out.

See the thing is with "unlimited" freedom is you can make a shoddy product and when it's clear that people on one platform don't like it or complain then you can simply ignore that platform and move onto the enxt, if the enxt platform doesn't give you lip and takes whatever you have then they win and those who take in anything bad/good then I guess they kinda win too (without realising good from bad quality), the problem with that is you ignore the first platform that liked your ideas and work but you executed them in bad fashion, because you didn't take in the issues of your work and ignored them the platform you abandoned or the one you pay the least attention to will simply move away from you and not buy into your work as much, it works both ways, I don't have to buy your game if it's really bad, I don't really lose out on anything by avoiding a abdly crafted game but you do and if you choose to ignore me then you've lost me completely to someone else and really you're not supposed to be supporting such a notion, you're supposed to be making great games that stand up well on their own and to as many as possible.

The problem is when some 3rd parties are popular enough they get the option to ignore the other platforms they released to and made poor attempts to sell quality goods, I find that an issue that hardly anyone on here taps on.

I remember quite a few comments like this thrown around when Gamecube was failing..we all know what happened after that.

I do think if Ninten got their act together, made a standard console they and 3rd party can get the most out of, and advertised it well, they could give Sony and MS a run for their money. That, or make another Wii happen.

Nintendo may well bounce back but that is dependent on them coming up with something that captures the public's imagination. I'm assuming Nintendo will want to make something based on low cost mature technology but that still offers a unique gaming experience. I don't think Nintendo is interested in playing the power game with Sony and Microsoft.

For me personally I think its important all three remain in the marketplace to keep prices competitive and I've often found less successful consoles provide better gaming experiences. I prefered the original xbox and gamecube to ps2. I prefered the N64 to ps1. The dreamcast was great too. Commercial success doesn't always mean its good for gamers. The wii and ps2 for me were very disappointing consoles.

Only Sony is in any real danger of abandoning the console market simply due to the state of the larger Sony conglomerate, but the playstation brand is as strong as ever. Microsoft, meanwhile, has shown itself to be content to lose enormous sums of money for the Xbox, treating it almost more as a pet project than a money making endeavor... The Xbox is the cool face of their company that they'd not otherwise have.

Even if Nintendo's next console proved the most popular in the next generation I don't think either of the other two would be forced out. The possible exception is if Sony was in dire financial straits and really laid an egg or if either Sony/Microsoft decided to forgo a full console next gen and simply release a streaming device under the Playstation/Xbox name (Sony does seem potentially headed in that direction).

There's room for all three, essentially... The market has grown since the days of Nintendo/Sega.

Nintendo, like Sony last gen, need to just focus on getting through this generation. I think you are getting a little too excited.