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Hedra42 said:
Dunban67 said:
Hedra42 said:
Dunban67 said:

Im still looking for something more specific but what i have read says they are jointly developing apps/games

at this point it is hard to say what caused the layoffs but i don  t think it is good news -  afterall they annouced the news on Fri afternoon which is the time that gets the least anount of pr due to the daily weekly news cycles and markets being closed for the weekend

 

They def said they are refocusing thier opps in the West-  the question is why-  he markets and business news are pretty good at figuring it out so we will probably get more info and its impact next week-   regardless it s still relevant to Nintendo for better or worse

I think this is what you're looking for:

Iwata: "Development of smart device games will be mainly done by Nintendo, but it is significant that we are forming a joint development structure with DeNA. Nintendo, through experience in the dedicated game system business, is good at making traditional game products. But for smart devices, in addition to the “product” aspect of a game, the aspect of an ever-evolving “service” is very important—a service that encourages consumers to play every day even for a short time. DeNA has extensive know-how in developing the “service” side of things, and will be primarily responsible for the service-oriented operations. We will be able to greatly leverage strengths of each party." http://time.com/3748920/nintendo-mobile-games/

Simply put, they have formed a joint development structure where Nintendo are developing the games and DeNA are developing the service.

[Edit to add] However:

Iwata: "Nintendo, together with DeNA, will jointly develop a new membership service which encompasses the existing Nintendo 3DS and Wii U systems, the new hardware system with a brand-new concept, NX, and smart devices and PCs, and Nintendo will be the primary party to operate this new membership service." http://www.nintendo.co.jp/corporate/release/en/2015/150317/03.html 

This may explain a few things, but like I said, if the joint development is all happening in Japan, then the restructuring of the workforce in the NA region doesn't seem likely to have an effect on that, unless there's more we don't know, yet.

I was wrong about DeNA making most of the games- it is opposite but Iwata does say they are still joinlty developing some games as in your quotes supplied above as the DeNA people understand the mobile game business better but Nintendo knows the traditional development much better

He says they'll be working together on the games but in their respective roles - Nintendo actually developing the games, DeNA taking on the service end of those games. However, where they will be working jointly is on the membership service.

how do we know most of the joint development is happening in Japan?    A significant amount of both companies business is in the West and they both have operations/offices in NA  I imagine the back office aspects of the parternship DeNA does will take assets from varius regions of the wolrd in which they have a presence- particularly the english speaking world

Well, the answer to that is, we don't - or at least I don't, because I haven't found anything to suggest where it will happen. That's why I said IF the joint development is happening in Japan, the NA layoffs will have little to no impact on it.

I am not trying to say the layoff announcement neccesarliy has anything to do w the Nintendo JV-  but the timing is odd and it may very well effect the partnership directly or indirectly, we just don t know yet-   It will be intersting to see how the market reacts to the news next week-  that will tell us more 

DeNA confirmed that the layoff announcement had nothing to do with the Nintendo JV - as quoted from the article posted in the OP "The West will continue to be one of our core markets for our mobile gaming business, and this decision has no relation to our alliance with Nintendo or the popularity of Final Fantasy Record Keeper."

But the story is def timely, of interest abd pertinent to anyone followng either company -  it amy turn out to be nothing or it may turn out to be something much bigger-  we just don t know yet-     The biggest question i have is, did Nintenod know this announcement was coming before they inked the deal?

I would be very surprised if Nintendo didn't know it was coming before they signed on the dotted line.

HEDRA42- thanks for finding the correct quote-  

NP :)

Well done-  

I did see the quote re lay offs have nothing to do w Nintendo-  and it may or may not be correct but i take nearly all  publicly traded company PR/IR statements w a big grain of salt -   90% of the time they will "spin" any statement as much as they can within legal limits     unless i get to know a company or particular spokesperson well enough to trust, then i assume they are not going to volunteer any negative news or news that can be percieved that way unless they have to by law-   it does not mean all CO IR/PR is BS it just means there is enough there to not really know what is acurate/frank/forthcoming or not



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SpokenTruth said:
daredevil.shark said:

The deal will see DeNA help to develop mobile games using Nintendo's IP, the first of which is expected out this year.

Source: http://www.gamespot.com/articles/nintendo-s-new-mobile-games-partner-hit-with-layof/1100-6426554/

And people wonder why I never use Gamestop as a source.  Their entire premise (DeNA developing the games) and hence their purpose behind this article (to draw negative connotations to Nintendo via DeNA's game departments) is flawed.

 

Daredevil.Shark, I know you have a penchant for delivering negative Nintendo news but if the article is outright false, it's probably best to leave it where you found it.

Did you even read the article you linked?  There is nothing false in it-  Most of it was simply quoting spokesman from DeNA

DeNA is helping develop some of the games and they are helping them get to the mobile market-  Besides who is doing excatly what between DeNA and Nintenod is not really  the point of the article anyway-  Is the repoting of a legit, tiley and pertinent story offnd your senses-  there are plenty of Nintendo "echo chambers" on the net if that is what you are looking for- (the Wii U is sellng like gangbusters and the 3DS should surpass the DS in sales any day now-  is that better?)



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Dunban67 said:
SpokenTruth said:

And people wonder why I never use Gamestop as a source.  Their entire premise (DeNA developing the games) and hence their purpose behind this article (to draw negative connotations to Nintendo via DeNA's game departments) is flawed.

 

Daredevil.Shark, I know you have a penchant for delivering negative Nintendo news but if the article is outright false, it's probably best to leave it where you found it.

Did you even read the article you linked?  There is nothing false in it-  Most of it was simply quoting spokesman from DeNA

DeNA is helping develop some of the games and they are helping them get to the mobile market-  Besides who is doing excatly what between DeNA and Nintenod is not really  the point of the article anyway-  Is the repoting of a legit, tiley and pertinent story offnd your senses-  there are plenty of Nintendo "echo chambers" on the net if that is what you are looking for- (the Wii U is sellng like gangbusters and the 3DS should surpass the DS in sales any day now-  is that better?)

@ Bolded: We've been through this already - DeNA is not 'helping develop some of the games'. Nintendo is developing the game product. DeNA is responsible for the service, as backed up with quotes from Iwata in previous posts.

 

Now do a Google search with the words Nintendo, DeNA, and Layoff.

Almost every news article concerning the layoffs has DeNA in the title, and identifies them as Nintendo's mobile partner. DeNA is clearly the subject of those articles. Gamespot's article does not even mention DeNA's company name anywhere in the title, making the negative focus of the news appear more Nintendo-centric than DeNA-centric.

This, I believe, is the point of SpokenTruth's post quoted above, and also the point of the backlash against the OP for choosing Gamespot's heading as the title of the thread and using Gamespot's article as their source.

This is not about posting stories that will 'offend the senses', it's how they're reported.

And note, that he said IF the article is outright false - he did not state that it is outright false. Except for the skewed focus of the article's title and the misinformation about DeNA developing the games in the final sentence, the rest of Gamespot's article on the layoffs contains pretty much the same details as most of the other reports.



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SpokenTruth said:
Dunban67 said:

Did you even read the article you linked?  There is nothing false in it-  Most of it was simply quoting spokesman from DeNA

DeNA is helping develop some of the games and they are helping them get to the mobile market-  Besides who is doing excatly what between DeNA and Nintenod is not really  the point of the article anyway-  Is the repoting of a legit, tiley and pertinent story offnd your senses-  there are plenty of Nintendo "echo chambers" on the net if that is what you are looking for- (the Wii U is sellng like gangbusters and the 3DS should surpass the DS in sales any day now-  is that better?)

No, DeNA is not developing the games.  Nintendo is.  DeNA is providing the mobile infrastructure for those games.  Are you going to believe GameSpot or Iwata?

the article says they are "helping" with some games-  DeNA and Iwata said the same-  as far as the definiton of "help" I can t say but that is wat was put out by Iwata and DeNA so you can t try to say Gamespot has mis quoted and they are not lying in thier article-  And like i said that was not the point of the article anyway-    you are readig way to much into the words-  the Gamespot article  is very similar to the half doze or so other articles from various pubilcations re the same topic-   



cycycychris said:
So is every post from here on out about DeNA going to have to have Nintendo's name in the title.

Yep.



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They are just wondering why the title doesn't just say "DeNA hit with layoffs"


Well I dont get why. DENA is Nintendo's partner are they not?

Many companies have many partnerships. The news in question has nothing to do with Nintendo, but without Nintendo in the title nobody would care and Gamespot would make less money. So the complaints are basically about bad journalism that 'improves' news to gain more money.



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TheGoldenBoy said:
Technically the OP did just copy and paste Gamespot's title, which is what most posters do . . .

The complaints were about the title, so about gamespot and not Daredevilshark. I think the complaints about the title are justified. nobody said anything about copying news.



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