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Reggie: ‘Splatoon is aiming to do for action shooters what Mario Kart did to racing’

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spemanig said:
Soundwave said:

Nintendo already had the perfect IP for the shooter market that suited their image well but was still "cool"

 


Emphasis on "was." No one cares about Goldeneye anymore, dude. If Nintendo had an exclusive Bond game releasing tomorrow, it would do exactly 0% for the Wii U. Bond was relevant when Doom and Wolfenstein were the biggest shooters on the block.

Except Bond is more popular as a character IP now than he was even in the 90s. Skyfall made more money than any Brosnan era Bond film. 

Bond is time less. Bond is always cool. He's what every man wants to be and what every woman wants. 

Nintendo quality Bond games with fun local multiplayer would've done great for Nintendo, obviously the brand declined after it left Nintendo, but that was to be expected. 

Look at something like Batman ... a character with similar appeal to kids and adults, he's now a huge gaming IP but only because the new Batman games are of high quality. But people always liked the character. 



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Except it won't.



Good ive always said.that nintendo needs more new IPs to appeal to me since i dont really care about most of their old IPs that they use every gen, so seeing them focus so much on a new IP is really good, plus they have gotten some good third/second party exclusives this gen as well



Soundwave said:

Except Bond is more popular as a character IP now than he was even in the 90s. Skyfall made more money than any Brosnan era Bond film. 

 


I wouldn't contribute that to Bond being more popular as an IP; I'd contribute that to films making more money as a medium on the whole now than in the 90s.

Goldeneye was successful because it worked, not because it was "cool." Console shooters weren't exactly known for that before Goldeneye. Now, they pretty much all work. It holds up terribly now, unlike other games of that era.



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spemanig said:
Soundwave said:

Except Bond is more popular as a character IP now than he was even in the 90s. Skyfall made more money than any Brosnan era Bond film. 

 


I wouldn't contribute that to Bond being more popular as an IP; I'd contribute that to films making more money as a medium on the whole now than in the 90s.

Goldeneye was successful because it worked, not because it was "cool." Console shooters weren't exactly known for that before Goldeneye. Now, they pretty much all work. It holds up terribly now, unlike other games of that era.


No, Bond is cool and will always be cool. You can't buy that or fake it (Hollywood has tried many times to ape the formula). Bond has been big in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s, and 2010s. 

I remember suggesting Banjo-Kazooie to my friend who had just bought his N64 around '98, primarily for GoldenEye, and he burst out laughing saying "what the f*ck is Banjo-Kazooie? I'm not playing that".

Bond brought in a different audience to the N64 in the 90s because Bond as a character has appeal that a mascot/cartoon simply can't. But it fit Nintendo so well, it was basically the same thrill of Mario Kart multiplayer just wrapped in a world that was acceptable to teenagers and adults. 

The wonderful thing about Bond is his cross-demographic appeal is through the roof. Kids can like Bond and not upset their parents ("oh look honey isn't that cute, little Johnny thinks he's James Bond") but he passes the "most jaded teenager I'm not playing some stupid kids game with rainbows in it" test too as to what's cool. It really was a godsend for Nintendo. 



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Soundwave said:
spemanig said:


I wouldn't contribute that to Bond being more popular as an IP; I'd contribute that to films making more money as a medium on the whole now than in the 90s.

Goldeneye was successful because it worked, not because it was "cool." Console shooters weren't exactly known for that before Goldeneye. Now, they pretty much all work. It holds up terribly now, unlike other games of that era.


No, Bond is cool and will always be cool. You can't buy that or fake it (Hollywood has tried many times to ape the formula). Bond has been big in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s, and 2010s. 

I remember suggesting Banjo-Kazooie to my friend who had just bought his N64 around '98, primarily for GoldenEye, and he burst out laughing saying "what the f*ck is Banjo-Kazooie? I'm not playing that".

Bond brought in a different audience to the N64 in the 90s because Bond as a character has appeal that a mascot/cartoon simply can't. But it fit Nintendo so well, it was basically the same thrill of Mario Kart multiplayer just wrapped in a world that was acceptable to teenagers and adults. 

The wonderful thing about Bond is his cross-demographic appeal is through the roof. Kids can like Bond and not upset their parents ("oh look honey isn't that cute, little Johnny thinks he's James Bond") but he passes the "most jaded teenager I'm not playing some stupid kids game with rainbows in it" test too as to what's cool. It really was a godsend for Nintendo. 


I never said he wasn't cool. I said that he's now a more cared about IP now. Not by a long shot.

And a Bond game now, no matter how good, wouldn't servive as a multiplayer shooter today. It would either completely go against what Bond is, get burried under all the other more relevant shooters that have now emerged, or it would just stay single player. If Nintendo wants to bring in an older audience, they need something else. Bond, no matter how "cool," doesn't come close to cutting it. Not in this day.



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Soundwave said:
To be honest though Mario Kart probably wouldn't sell half of what it does without the the Mario characters.

That said, good on Nintendo for trying a new IP.

I don't see it taking off in a huge way, but at least they're trying.

Could we see Mario and friends in a sequel?  Mario has all kinds of different hats, why not a squid suit that allows he and friends to travel like the characters in Splatoon?

That said, I hope they don't go that route, Mario has never been my favorite mascot, but I don't think you're wrong (not sure about half, but your general point is likely correct)



spemanig said:
Soundwave said:


No, Bond is cool and will always be cool. You can't buy that or fake it (Hollywood has tried many times to ape the formula). Bond has been big in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s, and 2010s. 

I remember suggesting Banjo-Kazooie to my friend who had just bought his N64 around '98, primarily for GoldenEye, and he burst out laughing saying "what the f*ck is Banjo-Kazooie? I'm not playing that".

Bond brought in a different audience to the N64 in the 90s because Bond as a character has appeal that a mascot/cartoon simply can't. But it fit Nintendo so well, it was basically the same thrill of Mario Kart multiplayer just wrapped in a world that was acceptable to teenagers and adults. 

The wonderful thing about Bond is his cross-demographic appeal is through the roof. Kids can like Bond and not upset their parents ("oh look honey isn't that cute, little Johnny thinks he's James Bond") but he passes the "most jaded teenager I'm not playing some stupid kids game with rainbows in it" test too as to what's cool. It really was a godsend for Nintendo. 


I never said he wasn't cool. I said that he's now a more cared about IP now. Not by a long shot.

And a Bond game now, no matter how good, wouldn't servive as a multiplayer shooter today. It would either completely go against what Bond is, get burried under all the other more relevant shooters that have now emerged, or it would just stay single player. If Nintendo wants to bring in an older audience, they need something else. Bond, no matter how "cool," doesn't come close to cutting it. Not in this day.


Nah I think his presence is still missing sorely from Nintendo consoles. Mario Kart is fun, but it's a bit too sugary. After about an hour of Mario Kart and Nintendo Land multi, you just want to blast your friends head off in a multiplayer game. I get it. I'm not a "dudebros" player, but sometimes I get what they're saying when they're down playing Nintendo platforms. 

This is one reason why Nintendo isn't scratching the itch many gamers have ... their competetive games are fun, but sometimes the context of the game matters. Bond was the perfect context for Nintendo's multiplayer concept, it was already Mario Kart for teenagers and adults. 

You know that when you got your boys coming over, lets fire up GoldenEye, and play until 3 AM type thing ... Nintendo has sorely, sorely missed that. 

That's also the problem with things like Metroid Prime and Zombi U that have kinda tried to fill that void ... Bond had the multiplayer aspect that they don't have. 

GoldenEye is still being paid homage to even in modern pop culture. Jimmy Fallon played it with Pierce Brosnan just a few months ago and that wasn't a Nintendo sponsored segment either. There's a fun little FPS GoldenEye homage in the new Kingsman movie too that caused a bit of a laugh in the theater I was in.



Except that Mario Kart is one of biggest racers of all time while I expect Splatoon to be a less than modest success. We already have Ratchet & Clank being a major force, I doubt another cartoony shooter can usurp it.



I hope it does. It has that classic Nintendo feel for me, and I hope it sees success.