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  • Microsoft failed in Japan because Japanese people do not buy American products
    Not true. McDonald's, Apple, and Levi's (just a few examples) are HUGE in Japan. McDonald's for decades was the number one restaurant in Japan, and is still top 3. Apple destroyed Sony in Japan and has a 40%+ marketshare there. So how come these companies succeeded were Microsoft failed? Simple: they adapted to Japanese customers, and didn't expect them to adapt to them. For example, McDonald's sells teriyaki burgers there. Microsoft expected Japanese gamers to buy non-Japanese style games. The Xbox 360's Japanese launch titles were abysmal and didn't appeal to the Japanese at all. And for about a year there were hardly ANY games - much less ones that appealed to Japanese - for about 3 years. By the time it got Japanese style games by the dozen (Star Ocean, Eternal Sonata, Infinite Undiscovery, Tales of Vesperia, etc. etc.) it was already too late.

    The Sega Mega Drive/Genesis sold only around 4 million in Japan, simply because it didn't have that many games that appealed to the Japanese. The Saturn rectified this and had MANY games that appealed to the Japanese, and therefore sold 6 million despite it flopping everywhere else. The Xbox 360 just did not appeal to Japanese customers because games like Gears of War, Halo, and Fable are niche (and that's just putting it mildly) there.
  • Nintendo abandoned the hardcore, and non-gamers abandoned Nintendo later on
    I made a thread about this before, but a lot of people believe that Nintendo abandoned the hardcore - even Nintendo themselves said that they abandoned the hardcore audience with the Wii, and were planning to make the Wii U more for core gamers. This is not true. The Wii U has not even reached Dreamcast sales yet, it's pretty clear that hardcore gamers do not care for Nintendo much anymore. The GameCube had a TON of great games - Resident Evil 4, Wind Waker, Eternal Darkness, Mario Sunshine, Viewtiful Joe, MGS: Twin Snakes, Metroid Prime, Mario Kart DD, and SO many more and was only $99 yet hardcore gamers still refused to buy it.

    So Nintendo focuses on a new audience, a blue ocean audience. They are far more receptive and Nintendo's Wii becomes a phenomenon. Then Nintendo for whatever reason abandoned their blue ocean audience in 2010. A lot of people say they went into smartphone gaming. While true, Nintendo could have at least tried to compete. There was never a Wii Sports 3 even though Resorts sold by the bucketload; never a Wii Dance; or a Wii Fit 2. Nintendo decided then to focus on an audience that rejected them in 1996 and now their console is getting destroyed sales wise.
There's two from me. What are some more?


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The myth that Nintendo saved gaming, and we should be grateful to them for it. What a load of shit that is.



Groundking said:
The myth that Nintendo saved gaming, and we should be grateful to them for it. What a load of shit that is.


Nintendo has saved gaming twice though:

- NES: due to the seal of quality, it helped prevent another gaming crash. Also made gaming more mainstream and its games are the basis of gaming today. Super Mario Bros. was loads more advanced than Pitfall, Zelda was entirely new pretty much, etc. etc.

- Wii: Gaming was becoming stagnant, and gamers were getting stereotyped hard. Wii opened it up to a whole new audience and made gaming truly mainstream. Continues today with smartphones now.



Ka-pi96 said:
McDonaldsGuy said:
Groundking said:
The myth that Nintendo saved gaming, and we should be grateful to them for it. What a load of shit that is.


Nintendo has saved gaming twice though:

- NES: due to the seal of quality, it helped prevent another gaming crash. Also made gaming more mainstream and its games are the basis of gaming today. Super Mario Bros. was loads more advanced than Pitfall, Zelda was entirely new pretty much, etc. etc.

- Wii: Gaming was becoming stagnant, and gamers were getting stereotyped hard. Wii opened it up to a whole new audience and made gaming truly mainstream. Continues today with smartphones now.

PC gaming was still doing fine, NES didn't save anything there.

The Wii never did anything to save gaming, the PS2 made gaming mainstream long before the Wii did.

PC gaming is different from console gaming. Gaming wouldn't have become as mainstream as it has now without the NES and Super Mario Bros.

The PS2 appeals to a different audience than the Wii did. PS2 if anything re-enforced stereotypes about gamers. Wii opened it up and made it truly mainstream, at least from 2006-2010.



Ka-pi96 said:
McDonaldsGuy said:
Groundking said:
The myth that Nintendo saved gaming, and we should be grateful to them for it. What a load of shit that is.


Nintendo has saved gaming twice though:

- NES: due to the seal of quality, it helped prevent another gaming crash. Also made gaming more mainstream and its games are the basis of gaming today. Super Mario Bros. was loads more advanced than Pitfall, Zelda was entirely new pretty much, etc. etc.

- Wii: Gaming was becoming stagnant, and gamers were getting stereotyped hard. Wii opened it up to a whole new audience and made gaming truly mainstream. Continues today with smartphones now.

PC gaming was still doing fine, NES didn't save anything there.

The Wii never did anything to save gaming, the PS2 made gaming mainstream long before the Wii did.

NES saved gaming in the US....



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Everything that Crapcom touches becomes shit.

 

It's the opposite, really. Almost every single game of Capcom is golden.



Ka-pi96 said:
McDonaldsGuy said:
Ka-pi96 said:

PC gaming was still doing fine, NES didn't save anything there.

The Wii never did anything to save gaming, the PS2 made gaming mainstream long before the Wii did.

PC gaming is different from console gaming. Gaming wouldn't have become as mainstream as it has now without the NES and Super Mario Bros.

The PS2 appeals to a different audience than the Wii did. PS2 if anything re-enforced stereotypes about gamers. Wii opened it up and made it truly mainstream, at least from 2006-2010.

The PS2 appealed to a broader audience than the Wii did, that's why it got 150m+ sales while the Wii was only just over 100m. PS2 was mainstream, Wii was just hardcore Nintendo fans and casuals.

*forgets the fact it was also a cheap dvd player which is the main reason millions bought it* :P

ps2 didnt really expand the market much(mostly ps1 owners and people who needed a cheap dvd player)

ps1 did though



Bets:

(Won)Bet with TechoHobbit: He(Techno) says 10 million by January 1,2014 I say 9 million by then. Winner gets 2 weeks of sig control.

(Lost)Bet with kinisking: I say Ps4 will win April NPD while he says Xbox One will win it; winner gets 1 week of avatar control.

Raichu's First Series:

First RPG?

First Fighter?

First Racer?

First Shooter?

First MMO?

First Horror?

Official Ni No Kuni Fanboy:

Familiars Captured:37

Game Beaten: 2 times almost

Times I got teary during some scenes: 3

but the gc was hardcore only...



Ka-pi96 said:

The PS2 appealed to a broader audience than the Wii did, that's why it got 150m+ sales while the Wii was only just over 100m. PS2 was mainstream, Wii was just hardcore Nintendo fans and casuals.


The Wii died out quickly, that's why. The PS2 appealed to PS1 fans but had a broader audience because it released in more countries and more people had disposable income. For example, Europe well recovered after the Communism debacle. The NES barely got a release in Europe, but the PS1/PS2 came out at the right time.

PS2 did not create any new gamers like the Wii did. If anything, the PS2 was increasing gaming stigma. Just look at this way - the Wii was so mainstream it had a spot in the Oscars. The PS2 would never even dream of that.



Ka-pi96 said:
OfficerRaichu15 said:
Ka-pi96 said:

The PS2 appealed to a broader audience than the Wii did, that's why it got 150m+ sales while the Wii was only just over 100m. PS2 was mainstream, Wii was just hardcore Nintendo fans and casuals.

*forgets the fact it was also a cheap dvd player which is the main reason millions bought it* :P

ps2 didnt really expand the market much(mostly ps1 owners and people who needed a cheap dvd player)

ps1 did though

Yet the PS2 still sold the most software of any console ever, by a long long way as well...

ehh the 360 and ps3 can beat it in 4 years XD
tell you the truth Im being sarcastic in these because ps2 I know did expand the market(mainly EU) and it had a great library and sold like 1.5 billion games or something XD)



Bets:

(Won)Bet with TechoHobbit: He(Techno) says 10 million by January 1,2014 I say 9 million by then. Winner gets 2 weeks of sig control.

(Lost)Bet with kinisking: I say Ps4 will win April NPD while he says Xbox One will win it; winner gets 1 week of avatar control.

Raichu's First Series:

First RPG?

First Fighter?

First Racer?

First Shooter?

First MMO?

First Horror?

Official Ni No Kuni Fanboy:

Familiars Captured:37

Game Beaten: 2 times almost

Times I got teary during some scenes: 3