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Giggs_11 said:
BMaker11 said:

No it's not. You may be able to find some online, but they're secondhand or private resellers. You won't find any new bundles (in store on online) at Walmart, Target, Best Buy, Gamestop, etc.


I just had to do a quick search on google and the first hit i got was formplaystation.com selling those bundles, redirecting us to Walmart our Best Buy?

https://www.playstation.com/en-us/explore/ps4/systems/ps4-black-friday-2014-gtav-tlou-bundle/

 

Anyway, even if what you said was true what does it matter? People should just accept Nintento dominates the charts for all-time top selling videogames on consoles, and so what? Does it make other games less enjoyable for you? Does it bother you the top20 is completely filled with Nintendo except for 2 GTA versions?

You can argue all you want about the bundles and the the time those bundles were on sale, but in the end that is bullsh*t. People paid for it, they're sold and that's that.

Did you actually click any of the links?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-playstation-3-500gb-grand-theft-auto-v-bundle/1461012.p?id=1219052013515 Best Buy PS3 version, out of stock

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-playstation-4-500gb-black-friday-bundle-black/8637183.p?skuId=8637183 Best Buy PS4 version, out of stock

http://www.walmart.com/ip/PS4-Grand-Theft-Auto-V-and-The-Last-of-Us-500GB-Console-Bundle-100-Value/40484681 Walmart PS4 version, out of stock

http://www.walmart.com/ip/PS3-500GB-Grand-Theft-Auto-V-Console-Bundle/26897499 Walmart PS3 version, out of stock

It's because that bundle isn't carried anymore. Don't you think I looked up "GTAV bundle" before coming into a thread talking about GTAV?

 

Why are you so defensive? The person I responded to said Mario Kart was a "limited pack in" and I showed that it is still bundled to this day. Who said anything about games being less enjoyable? I don't care who made the game. But if being amongst the top selling games actually means "gave away 90% of the copies for free", then yea, I'm gonna dispute it because in order to be "top selling" you have to actually be sold.

I have no doubt that, if it stays bundled for years to come, Sony will brag and say that TLOU:R sold 50M+ copies or reached 50M+ households, or whatever. And I'll say "so what" because inflated numbers due to giving the game away for free doesn't really mean anything. No, it's not "people paid for it, it's sold". PS4 has been $399 since launch. TLOU is now packed in and the console is still $399. Either way, in order to get a PS4, you gotta pay $399, but now it's a "sale" for TLOU? No! And I apply the same logic to every game that's bundled for free. Destiny bundles over the holiday when it was $399 (instead of $449)? Nope, you didn't pay for Destiny, you paid for a PS4 and Destiny was a freebie, so it's not a "sale". Titanfall bundle for $499 (pre-Kinect drop)? Nope, you didn't pay for Titanfall, you paid for an XBOne and Titanfall was a freebie, so it's not a "sale".

Was FFXV: Episode Duscae "sold" to me when I bought FF Type 0 HD? When you generate 0 extra revenue because the extra product cost $0, it's not a sale. If I gave you my TV for free, I didn't "sell" it to you. It's not a difficult concept. It's the same reason why NPD doesn't factor in bundle sales in the monthly software charts.



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TK14 said:
Boutros said:
Paatar said:
I am also going to mention, Mario Kart Wii sold 35m WITHOUT any other versions other than ONE. :P

But GTAV would have sold a lot more on a single platform if it wasn't spreaded across four. So it's kind of a double-edged sword.


No...a smaller userbase from one platform limits sales (look at Wii U games). Mario Kart Wii would have sold a lot more if it was spread across four. There is no double-edged sword with this. 

It absolutely is. That's not an opinion LOL

You don't actually know if Mario Kart Wii would have sold better on more platforms. And that's the point. We don't know what could have been in either cases (MK multiplatform or GTAV exclusive) so comparing both is futile. And the other version of MK could easily have cannibalized the Wii sales. Besides the Wii wouldn't have sold as many units as it did if Mario Kart Wii wasn't exclusive. It was a huge system seller.



Wii sports and tetris sold more



Dr.Vita said:
Giggs_11 said:


I just had to do a quick search on google and the first hit i got was formplaystation.com selling those bundles, redirecting us to Walmart our Best Buy?

https://www.playstation.com/en-us/explore/ps4/systems/ps4-black-friday-2014-gtav-tlou-bundle/

 

Anyway, even if what you said was true what does it matter? People should just accept Nintento dominates the charts for all-time top selling videogames on consoles, and so what? Does it make other games less enjoyable for you? Does it bother you the top20 is completely filled with Nintendo except for 2 GTA versions?

You can argue all you want about the bundles and the the time those bundles were on sale, but in the end that is bullsh*t. People paid for it, they're sold and that's that.


What about Call of Duty Black Ops or Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 which sold 30M only retail?
And Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 which sold 25M only retail or Call of Duty Black Ops 2 which sold 28M only retail?
Or Grand Theft Auto IV which sold 22M only retail?

Those sales across multi platforms or one platform?



I just bought it for the XBone last Friday. Not a huge fan of GTA in general but it's been fun so far. Was going to buy it for the HTPC but dammit, gotta have my achievements!



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BMaker11 said:
Giggs_11 said:


I just had to do a quick search on google and the first hit i got was formplaystation.com selling those bundles, redirecting us to Walmart our Best Buy?

https://www.playstation.com/en-us/explore/ps4/systems/ps4-black-friday-2014-gtav-tlou-bundle/

 

Anyway, even if what you said was true what does it matter? People should just accept Nintento dominates the charts for all-time top selling videogames on consoles, and so what? Does it make other games less enjoyable for you? Does it bother you the top20 is completely filled with Nintendo except for 2 GTA versions?

You can argue all you want about the bundles and the the time those bundles were on sale, but in the end that is bullsh*t. People paid for it, they're sold and that's that.

Did you actually click any of the links?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-playstation-3-500gb-grand-theft-auto-v-bundle/1461012.p?id=1219052013515 Best Buy PS3 version, out of stock

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-playstation-4-500gb-black-friday-bundle-black/8637183.p?skuId=8637183 Best Buy PS4 version, out of stock

http://www.walmart.com/ip/PS4-Grand-Theft-Auto-V-and-The-Last-of-Us-500GB-Console-Bundle-100-Value/40484681 Walmart PS4 version, out of stock

http://www.walmart.com/ip/PS3-500GB-Grand-Theft-Auto-V-Console-Bundle/26897499 Walmart PS3 version, out of stock

It's because that bundle isn't carried anymore. Don't you think I looked up "GTAV bundle" before coming into a thread talking about GTAV?

 

Why are you so defensive? The person I responded to said Mario Kart was a "limited pack in" and I showed that it is still bundled to this day. Who said anything about games being less enjoyable? I don't care who made the game. But if being amongst the top selling games actually means "gave away 90% of the copies for free", then yea, I'm gonna dispute it because in order to be "top selling" you have to actually be sold.

I have no doubt that, if it stays bundled for years to come, Sony will brag and say that TLOU:R sold 50M+ copies or reached 50M+ households, or whatever. And I'll say "so what" because inflated numbers due to giving the game away for free doesn't really mean anything. No, it's not "people paid for it, it's sold". PS4 has been $399 since launch. TLOU is now packed in and the console is still $399. Either way, in order to get a PS4, you gotta pay $399, but now it's a "sale" for TLOU? No! And I apply the same logic to every game that's bundled for free. Destiny bundles over the holiday when it was $399 (instead of $449)? Nope, you didn't pay for Destiny, you paid for a PS4 and Destiny was a freebie, so it's not a "sale". Titanfall bundle for $499 (pre-Kinect drop)? Nope, you didn't pay for Titanfall, you paid for an XBOne and Titanfall was a freebie, so it's not a "sale".

Was FFXV: Episode Duscae "sold" to me when I bought FF Type 0 HD? When you generate 0 extra revenue because the extra product cost $0, it's not a sale. If I gave you my TV for free, I didn't "sell" it to you. It's not a difficult concept. It's the same reason why NPD doesn't factor in bundle sales in the monthly software charts.

Actually I didn't check if it was stocked or not, I'll give you that. But I don't need to check much further to find one in stock: amazon.co.uk has a brand new bundle, PS4 GTA V + Witcher 3. But like I said it doesn't matter to the sales if it was bundled for long or not. As a matter of fact it's quite the opposite. Games are bundled, and stay bundled for as long as they're selling consoles. The best games are the bundled ones because people want those games and see it has the perfect opportunity to buy consoles, the games bundled sell consoles.

And on most examples you gave, I'm sorry to say you're wrong.

1) TLOU:R won't stay bundled for years to come, you know why? Because people won't buy it. They will look around and see the MGS5 bundle, or the new CoD, maybe for an extra 20 bucks, but they'll still prefer it over TLOU:R. Or even worse, they'll look around and see X1 bundled with Halo5 and Sony will have lost a sale.

2) The game isn't for free. As soon as the bundle is released that is a price cut implied or whatever you wanna call it. 

3) Episode Duscae, now I don't even know why you brought this one up. This isn't a "free demo". This was a demo used to sell more FF Type 0 copies.

I think you don't understand how business works. Really, they don't give you freebies like you call it. These bundles are marketing strategies to try and get you to buy the games. Amzon.co.uk used to sell PS4+GTA V for 350, now they're selling it with Witcher 3 for 320. So now they're selling me they're selling the PS4 with GTA V for free and they even pay you 30 to get Witcher 3? or Witcher 3's sales won't count by your own standards?

Do you think they wanna give you games or do they bundle games to sell consoles? When a bundled game continues to sell consoles year after year, well that's the game's merit. Not a freebie. If that was the way you say it, then there's no ppoint in counting sales as almost all top selling games are bundled when they launch.

Personally the "bundle" excuse is the lamest excuse when discussing sales. It shows some people have a bad perspective about how consumerism works and how companies work.



Giggs_11 said:
Dr.Vita said:
Giggs_11 said:


I just had to do a quick search on google and the first hit i got was formplaystation.com selling those bundles, redirecting us to Walmart our Best Buy?

https://www.playstation.com/en-us/explore/ps4/systems/ps4-black-friday-2014-gtav-tlou-bundle/

 

Anyway, even if what you said was true what does it matter? People should just accept Nintento dominates the charts for all-time top selling videogames on consoles, and so what? Does it make other games less enjoyable for you? Does it bother you the top20 is completely filled with Nintendo except for 2 GTA versions?

You can argue all you want about the bundles and the the time those bundles were on sale, but in the end that is bullsh*t. People paid for it, they're sold and that's that.


What about Call of Duty Black Ops or Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 which sold 30M only retail?
And Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 which sold 25M only retail or Call of Duty Black Ops 2 which sold 28M only retail?
Or Grand Theft Auto IV which sold 22M only retail?

Those sales across multi platforms or one platform?

Multi platform, but this doesn't change anything!



Dr.Vita said:
Giggs_11 said:
Dr.Vita said:
Giggs_11 said:


I just had to do a quick search on google and the first hit i got was formplaystation.com selling those bundles, redirecting us to Walmart our Best Buy?

https://www.playstation.com/en-us/explore/ps4/systems/ps4-black-friday-2014-gtav-tlou-bundle/

 

Anyway, even if what you said was true what does it matter? People should just accept Nintento dominates the charts for all-time top selling videogames on consoles, and so what? Does it make other games less enjoyable for you? Does it bother you the top20 is completely filled with Nintendo except for 2 GTA versions?

You can argue all you want about the bundles and the the time those bundles were on sale, but in the end that is bullsh*t. People paid for it, they're sold and that's that.


What about Call of Duty Black Ops or Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 which sold 30M only retail?
And Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 which sold 25M only retail or Call of Duty Black Ops 2 which sold 28M only retail?
Or Grand Theft Auto IV which sold 22M only retail?

Those sales across multi platforms or one platform?

Multi platform, but this doesn't change anything!

Actually it does. It changes everything.



Just to put some more oil on the fire: they still sell GTAV PS4 bundles in my country (Belgium). Or are we only talking about (not) bundled in the US now? So that means it has been bundled with a console in Europe for almost 2 years straight (first PS3, now PS4).

Wii Sports is still number 1 no matter how you look at it.

Actually I'm still thinking about getting that GTAV bundle, but I'll probably wait until the console drops in price and the game as well. It's crazy that GTAV has achieved what it has achieved so far without any real price cuts. So, in the end, who knows how many more copies it may sell when the price eventually comes down?



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enrageorange said:

If we are excluding massively bundled titles than it has been the best selling console game since it past Mario Kart Wii. Super Mario Bros was included with every nes sold in America. But then again if we start including PC and mobile minecraft is far ahead.

Completely exaggerated and patently False.  Super Mario Bros. was not packed in with every NES sold in America.  There was the Deluxe Set with R.O.B., Gyromite, and Duck Hunt.  And, there was also the NES that I got for Christmas in 1989 which didn't have a pack-in game at all.  Mine came with a strategy guide called "The Official Nintendo Player's Guide".  Pretty sure that even after R.O.B. was discontinued, I wasn't the only person in the US to get a Nintendo that wasn't bundled with Super Mario Bros.