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neither of them, there is plenty of oil in the world. And global warming is a hoax many sources and sciencist proof



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RCTjunkie said:
When we find a way to charge more quickly and have it go over 200 miles on a single charge is when electric takes over. It's a good idea but is too inconvenient for the average customer right now.


Well battery technology has got to be close to a big change.

If were talking about Tesla the electric car manufacturer, all their cars are already over 200 miles a charge and some will be over 300 miles a charge by 2017. Not to mention they're making charge stations that will give you a fully charged battery in much less time then filling up your car with gasoline, 5 - 10 years will be a big change.



Ka-pi96 said:
RCTjunkie said:
sterner said:

There won't be "customers" in 20 years. Transportation companies will operate swarm of small electrocar taxis around the city which you will call from mobile device. I've read a paper on subject, prognosed costs of a trip in such a taxi is so less than conventional car you gotta be a complete lunatic to own one. Not to mention you'll be taxed into hell since human-drived cars are a huge hazard and any sane government will just abolish them when they can.

I doubt they'll have enough employees for thay endeavor, and it might take off in large cities like NYC but the technologies won't be perfected enough for either having enough taxi drivers or self driving cars. 


Plus most conservatives and many liberals would hate not being able to have the freedom to drive. 

This. Especially in the US, they make sure they keep their rights to have guns there so there isn't a chance that they'd give up the right to drive.

Except the world is not USA. Plenty of people find driving annoying and damn expensive. You have to buy a license, get it, buy a car, pay for insurance, pay for car's maintenance (or we say upkeep in english, I don't know...), spend money on wichever energy your car use...

Outside of housing, driving is the second more expensive thing in common people budget.

While it won't convince every driver, I am sure their already are plenty of potential client who will be happy to forget about driving and the expense it suggests.



Gilgamesh said:
RCTjunkie said:
When we find a way to charge more quickly and have it go over 200 miles on a single charge is when electric takes over. It's a good idea but is too inconvenient for the average customer right now.


Well battery technology has got to be close to a big change.

If were talking about Tesla the electric car manufacturer, all their cars are already over 200 miles a charge and some will be over 300 miles a charge by 2017. Not to mention they're making charge stations that will give you a fully charged battery in much less time then filling up your car with gasoline, 5 - 10 years will be a big change.



teslas like to burn. the cars arent realy save, and atm you need a lot more time to load em. we need a completly new batterie tech for it, an that will not happen so fast, there are some interesting ideas and prototyps, but we need more time and they still have problems. and Li isnt cheap and we need alot for 1b cars...

I'm willing to bet someone just started a plot to make sure hydrogen is the next fuel. And they will market it as cheaper and safer for the environment. It will turn out to be a success for them.



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Ka-pi96 said:
kingdemise said:
Ka-pi96 said:
RCTjunkie said:

I doubt they'll have enough employees for thay endeavor, and it might take off in large cities like NYC but the technologies won't be perfected enough for either having enough taxi drivers or self driving cars. 


Plus most conservatives and many liberals would hate not being able to have the freedom to drive. 

This. Especially in the US, they make sure they keep their rights to have guns there so there isn't a chance that they'd give up the right to drive.

Except the world is not USA. Plenty of people find driving annoying and damn expensive. You have to buy a license, get it, buy a car, pay for insurance, pay for car's maintenance (or we say upkeep in english, I don't know...), spend money on wichever energy your car use...

Outside of housing, driving is the second more expensive thing in common people budget.

While it won't convince every driver, I am sure their already are plenty of potential client who will be happy to forget about driving and the expense it suggests.

Yeah, but choosing not to drive is very different from not being allowed to drive.

 

We agree on this. Thinking it would be possible to remove the right to drive to people without wrecking havoc in social balance is pure madness.



Mr_No said:
I'm willing to bet someone just started a plot to make sure hydrogen is the next fuel. And they will market it as cheaper and safer for the environment. It will turn out to be a success for them.

This is exaclty what they're trying to do with electric cars. Except consummers are not that dumb and know they still exist problem with battery life.



To me the electric car is three stages.

1. Electric gas hybrid - Example: Prius - This extends fuel economy reducing dependence, but it is still entrenched in the old model. A great starting point to soften people to the concept.

2. Electric then gas hybrid - Example: Volt - This stepping stone is actually huge to get people use to electric car concept. Being able to go 50 miles before using gas greatly increases economy for commuters. As this mile number rises more people will see the advantage

2. Full electric - Example: Tesla - The final step is to give up gasoline entirely, but there are two hurdles. Entry cost and charge range. Tesla is working hard with the Model 3 to bring price down from 80K to 40K and the new batteries developed out in Nevada plant could see ranges climb into hundreds of miles. This along with Tesla charging stations could see 2020 be a breaking point for electric cars.



kingdemise said:
Mr_No said:
I'm willing to bet someone just started a plot to make sure hydrogen is the next fuel. And they will market it as cheaper and safer for the environment. It will turn out to be a success for them.

This is exaclty what they're trying to do with electric cars. Except consummers are not that dumb and know they still exist problem with battery life.

And don't forget about the hybrid cars, which still has the problem for being dependant on gasoline because the battery won't last much. Some vehicles, like the McLaren P1, can recharge the electric motor with the energy produced by braking, but even that sounds silly. That car needs to complement both power sources because the electric motor is not enough. It will take years before we see a capable battery that will push a car thousands and thousands of miles.



Well both have their pros and cons.

Electric pros
easy to put refueling infastructure in place.
good performance (good torque. Electic car has been made that can beat a viper in a race)
Many to chose from now.
Emissions.
no oil changes.

Cons
short range (getting better)
Degenerative battery
long recharge

Hydro pros
Fuel should be cheep (hydro is the most abundant resource)
No emission (water)
non degenerative fuel cells.
great range.

Cons
few models.
Few refueling stations.
Expensive.




Personally i like electric cars. They (last i heard) were the still cheeper of the two. I remember a few years ago they were talking about some hydrogen car as the future and it was 250,000. If they came down in price and they put in the fueling stations around then id be willing to change my stance. Once i get a house i fully expect to buy a electric car. Cant wait, although i do love my toyota yaris.



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