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DanneSandin on 21 December 2014
generic-user-1 said:
DanneSandin said:

Until it's been proven scientifacly, beyond any reasonable doubt, that men are more stupid than women, that's discrimination ;)

no its not... 

1. you cant change a subject to an object(as long as you dont kill the subject) so objectification is a myth.

2. sexism has nothing to do with fucking, even if it includes the word sex.

3. saying something mean to a person isnt discriminating...

 

 

1. I'm using well established phrases, so that we both understand what is being discussed here. We're not discussing whether or not it should be called "objectification" or "subjectification".

2. I've already said many times in this thread, that sexualization is more about the potrayals of (in this case) women. I don't think I've mentioned it's about fucking?

3. You didn't say anything mean about a person though, you said something mean about a whole.... class?... of people, anemly men. Generalizing a whole group of people and saying negative things about that group of people can (sometimes) be discriminating. It's like me calling every *specific religious group/nationlity* for less intelligent



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DanneSandin on 21 December 2014
S.T.A.G.E. said:
DanneSandin said:
generic-user-1 said:
DanneSandin said:

Until it's been proven scientifacly, beyond any reasonable doubt, that men are more stupid than women, that's discrimination ;)

The experience of being the male or female sex causes a difference in thinking patterns. It doesn't stop the equality of learning, which we both do without issue most of the time.

This has been proven long ago.

Read. 
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-mens-brains-are-wired-differently-than-women/

But that's not what's being discussed here. I'm not surprised if men and women think differently, I'd be surprised however, if men were less intelligent than women, which is what G-U-1 is saying



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S.T.A.G.E. on 21 December 2014
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
The problem does not lie in the sexism that is present in video games. The problem is how people perceive gender roles as an inherently bad thing.

Is it discriminatory towards the elder to make old cartoon characters with massive ears and noses?
Is it discriminatory towards teenagers to make teen characters that are lazy/arrogant?
Is it discriminatory towards homosexuals to create gay characters that act feminine?

The answer is no. Stereotypes exist for a reason and tend to have some degree of truth to them. Truths which are exaggerated for comedic or artistic purposes.


You may think that a work of art is of bad taste and therefore should be prohibited, but I, for one, is for artistic freedom. After all, no one is forcing you to offend yourself by making you watch and/or experience things that you don't find appealing. And even in the unlikely event that a work of art suddenly causes a person to, say, treat female bodies as objects, the true problem would lie in how this person perceives this art; not in the art itself.


This...by a country mile.



generic-user-1 on 21 December 2014
DanneSandin said:
generic-user-1 said:
DanneSandin said:

Until it's been proven scientifacly, beyond any reasonable doubt, that men are more stupid than women, that's discrimination ;)

no its not... 

1. you cant change a subject to an object(as long as you dont kill the subject) so objectification is a myth.

2. sexism has nothing to do with fucking, even if it includes the word sex.

3. saying something mean to a person isnt discriminating...

 

 

1. I'm using well established phrases, so that we both understand what is being discussed here. We're not discussing whether or not it should be called "objectification" or "subjectification".

2. I've already said many times in this thread, that sexualization is more about the potrayals of (in this case) women. I don't think I've mentioned it's about fucking?

3. You didn't say anything mean about a person though, you said something mean about a whole.... class?... of people, anemly men. Generalizing a whole group of people and saying negative things about that group of people can (sometimes) be discriminating. It's like me calling every *specific religious group/nationlity* for less intelligent


3. it depends on how you generalize.   men are stupid because of reasons that are there for every men.

and yes, some religiose groups are more stupid than others, and nationality and intelligents correlate too, intelligents isnt just a genetical  thing, and some nations have better education systems than others we are just not allowed to say it.



S.T.A.G.E. on 21 December 2014
DanneSandin said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
DanneSandin said:
generic-user-1 said:
DanneSandin said:

Until it's been proven scientifacly, beyond any reasonable doubt, that men are more stupid than women, that's discrimination ;)

The experience of being the male or female sex causes a difference in thinking patterns. It doesn't stop the equality of learning, which we both do without issue most of the time.

This has been proven long ago.

Read. 
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-mens-brains-are-wired-differently-than-women/

But that's not what's being discussed here. I'm not surprised if men and women think differently, I'd be surprised however, if men were less intelligent than women, which is what G-U-1 is saying


As far as evolution is concerned men and women are wired to focus on other things and give me a chance to prove how sexism (when the term is used properly but in a reverse situation) can be used to prove this point.Women because of their evolutionary gathering heritage are considered superior to men at multitasking. Because of the fact that women are percieved as being superior at it if a man came a long who was up to the task (the standout of male applicants for a secretarial/clerical position) and was disciminated again (even by a male boss) it is still sexism because of favoritism for one sex over the other.

Hope this helped. Im going to sleep. 



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DanneSandin on 21 December 2014
generic-user-1 said:
DanneSandin said:

1. I'm using well established phrases, so that we both understand what is being discussed here. We're not discussing whether or not it should be called "objectification" or "subjectification".

2. I've already said many times in this thread, that sexualization is more about the potrayals of (in this case) women. I don't think I've mentioned it's about fucking?

3. You didn't say anything mean about a person though, you said something mean about a whole.... class?... of people, anemly men. Generalizing a whole group of people and saying negative things about that group of people can (sometimes) be discriminating. It's like me calling every *specific religious group/nationlity* for less intelligent


3. it depends on how you generalize.   men are stupid because of reasons that are there for every men.

and yes, some religiose groups are more stupid than others, and nationality and intelligents correlate too, intelligents isnt just a genetical  thing, and some nations have better education systems than others we are just not allowed to say it.

Oh, by every single God out there... When I mentioned intelligence and nationality/religion I wasn't refering to the education system or anything of that sorts. I was talking about the ability to think and create that most people are born with, not how well educated they are.



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DanneSandin on 21 December 2014
S.T.A.G.E. said:
DanneSandin said:

But that's not what's being discussed here. I'm not surprised if men and women think differently, I'd be surprised however, if men were less intelligent than women, which is what G-U-1 is saying


As far as evolution is concerned men and women are wired to focus on other things and give me a chance to prove how sexism (when the term is used properly but in a reverse situation) can be used to prove this point.Women because of their evolutionary gathering heritage are considered superior to men at multitasking. Because of the fact that women are percieved as being superior at it if a man came a long who was up to the task (the standout of male applicants for a secretarial/clerical position) and was disciminated again (even by a male boss) it is still sexism because of favoritism for one sex over the other.

Hope this helped. Im going to sleep. 

Bolded: Two things are wrong with this statement; it's been proven that women are NOT better at multitasking than men, that's an old myth. And, what do you mean by "evolutionary gathering heritage"? As in, they evolved to gather food? Because, I can see plenty of things that's wrong with that statement as well.

And I don't think I disagree with your last part of that paragraph. Discrimination over gender, race, culture, religion or whatever is still discrimination. So I don't think I quite get what youre trying to get at?



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generic-user-1 on 21 December 2014
DanneSandin said:
generic-user-1 said:
DanneSandin said:

1. I'm using well established phrases, so that we both understand what is being discussed here. We're not discussing whether or not it should be called "objectification" or "subjectification".

2. I've already said many times in this thread, that sexualization is more about the potrayals of (in this case) women. I don't think I've mentioned it's about fucking?

3. You didn't say anything mean about a person though, you said something mean about a whole.... class?... of people, anemly men. Generalizing a whole group of people and saying negative things about that group of people can (sometimes) be discriminating. It's like me calling every *specific religious group/nationlity* for less intelligent


3. it depends on how you generalize.   men are stupid because of reasons that are there for every men.

and yes, some religiose groups are more stupid than others, and nationality and intelligents correlate too, intelligents isnt just a genetical  thing, and some nations have better education systems than others we are just not allowed to say it.

Oh, by every single God out there... When I mentioned intelligence and nationality/religion I wasn't refering to the education system or anything of that sorts. I was talking about the ability to think and create that most people are born with, not how well educated they are.

so we can cut nationality, but why you wanna cut religion too? i cant decide if im german or polish, but i can decide if im a  mormone or a scientologist... and dont forget that religios education has a negative effect on childrens intelligents...

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/cogs.12138/abstract



Aeolus451 on 21 December 2014
curl-6 said:

The sexuality = sexism argument is horseshit.

Humans are sexual beings, not robots. Sexuality is an intrinsic part of who we are, and to try and to try to stifle that is as futile as it is laughable. Samus wearing a bikini is not oppression, any more than Nathan Drake's perfect arse is.


I agree except about nathan. 



DanneSandin on 21 December 2014
generic-user-1 said:
DanneSandin said:

Oh, by every single God out there... When I mentioned intelligence and nationality/religion I wasn't refering to the education system or anything of that sorts. I was talking about the ability to think and create that most people are born with, not how well educated they are.

so we can cut nationality, but why you wanna cut religion too? i cant decide if im german or polish, but i can decide if im a  mormone or a scientologist... and dont forget that religios education has a negative effect on childrens intelligents...

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/cogs.12138/abstract

But then we're back to education and learning. Sure, religion can impact learning and education, but it doesn't impact the existing potential of (most) a human being. Being born a muslim, or christian, or mormorn, or scientologist (?) doesn't make you STUPID, even though it might hinder your learning.



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