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torok said:
Soundwave said:

Japan isn't the market it used to be even 5-6 years ago. 

Nintendo will probably launch a hybrid handheld/console in 2016-17 in Japan, that will likely have some success, but in the post-iPhone world its probably best to temper expectations. 


Well, it looks like we will have to agree to disagree... As I said, people said the same about the crash and we are still discussing consoles today. About the hybrid, it's just a rumour and it has severe flaws on it. The original rumour actually had specs that simply didn't make sense, simply wasn't a working hardware design. 


Japanese market is not equivalent to what the US market was post-Atari crash and the Japanese demographics are very different these days too. Low birth rate and a huge growing senior citizen population, not ideal for gaming growth ... well not in traditional gaming spaces anyway. Smartphone gaming will continue to grow there and cannibalize a large chunk of more casual/female players I think. 

It's not that hard to satisfy their gaming fix, and smartphones do that for cheap/free on a device that a person has on them all the time ... consoles are just antiquated by comparision. 



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I love how the PS4 is doing basically the same stuff as the PS3 yet it is selling so much more.



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OP is silly.

Every gen market leader is there because it offered the best approach for the mass consumer.

Wii did that last gen which is why it is and will remain highest total sales.

This gen is still undecided, but it looks like PS4 will likely take the cake. Unless its a lie.



SONY IS KING. Everything else sucks. Naughty Dog is the greatest video game company of all time. Sony should fire every other company and make Naughty Dog only games. Sony should buy out Xbox and Wii U and create more Naughty Dog games. No one can't disagree because I'm using Naughty Dog. Naughty Dog kicks your ass any day. Naughty Dog has everyone eating off the palm of their hands. Naughty Dog can release the worst game in the world and people will still buy it because they are Naughty Dog!!! Naughty Dog and Sony RULE!!!!



Areal-Llort said:
SONY IS KING. Everything else sucks. Naughty Dog is the greatest video game company of all time. Sony should fire every other company and make Naughty Dog only games. Sony should buy out Xbox and Wii U and create more Naughty Dog games. No one can't disagree because I'm using Naughty Dog. Naughty Dog kicks your ass any day. Naughty Dog has everyone eating off the palm of their hands. Naughty Dog can release the worst game in the world and people will still buy it because they are Naughty Dog!!! Naughty Dog and Sony RULE!!!!


Too much salt.



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um take two, ubisoft, activision(remember destiny),Nintendo EAD1-4,?



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Nintendo and Microsoft has capital (money). I'm actually surprise that Sony is attending E3. Simply put, Nintendo and Microsoft can change its outcome but it's going to take money. Sony has third party developers in its back pocket. Microsoft needs to fallow Nintendo lead with exclusives. Nintendo is doing it big with exclusives and it will only get better. That's out of Sony's league right now.



PigPen said:
Nintendo and Microsoft has capital (money). I'm actually surprise that Sony is attending E3. Simply put, Nintendo and Microsoft can change its outcome but it's going to take money. Sony has third party developers in its back pocket. Microsoft needs to fallow Nintendo lead with exclusives. Nintendo is doing it big with exclusives and it will only get better. That's out of Sony's league right now.


You have it backwards. Microsoft uses third parties more than either of the two. Most of their exclusives are coming from third parties. Sony and Nintendo are the self sufficient ones. Microsoft has third parties in their back pocket and if you never paid attention to last gen Sony's first party grew to greater heights and Microsoft cant catch up to them because they suck at developing.  This is why you are going to see a lot of dirty tricks on Microsofts end. They have to catch up to Sony in some way and they will pay up the ass for third party to pick up the slack for what they lack with exclusives.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
PigPen said:
Nintendo and Microsoft has capital (money). I'm actually surprise that Sony is attending E3. Simply put, Nintendo and Microsoft can change its outcome but it's going to take money. Sony has third party developers in its back pocket. Microsoft needs to fallow Nintendo lead with exclusives. Nintendo is doing it big with exclusives and it will only get better. That's out of Sony's league right now.


You have it backwards. Microsoft uses third parties more than either of the two. Most of their exclusives are coming from third parties. Sony and Nintendo are the self sufficient ones. Microsoft has third parties in their back pocket and if you never paid attention to last gen their first party grew to greater heights and Microsoft cant catch up to them because they suck at developing. 


His post is just a big WTF.

Surprised Sony is attending E3?...what the hell..



Mr Khan said:

Malstrom's more than a little nutso in some cases (why i stopped reading him like 3 years ago), but here's something from an earlier age from him, indicating that while overall console ownership is up, the rate of "household penetration" is down, or was 5 years ago

http://seanmalstrom.wordpress.com/2009/06/10/email-comic-book-industry-and-the-end-of-the-core/

The notion that Sony grew gaming because it made it more "mature" is, simply, bunk. It's based on Sony's ability to have a bigger presence in Europe and developing countries, as well as population growth and the rise of multi-console ownership as the NES generation "matured" and got more disposable income.

Sony does certainly get credit for becoming the industry standard, which is due to their vigorous efforts to engage third parties from day one. That's what helped them out of the PS3 jam, because third parties were still making PS3 games (even if no more exclusives) even when the console was in the sales toilet. You can't get support like that all in a day. But their ability to "grow" the industry is largely due to the fact that they were a truly global corporation entering a playing field dominated by much smaller players. Their ability to dominate the competition (not just win, but dominate. This is the point i'm trying to make against the thread's thesis) is due to the multifarious mistakes their competitors have made in all gens but the 7th.


Look at the increase in the size of gamers in the gaming industry once Sony joined. Gaming before Sony was considered to be something for children when Nintendo was on top. I remember the 90's. I was very young, but I remember it very well. 

-Sony turned the videogame console into a viable threat to the PC market. Before Sony's entrance, the PC realm laughed at Nintendo and Sega even though they had plenty of great games on their consoles.

-Its multimedia features changed the way we looked at a home console. They led us out of the cartridge age and into the age where discs held up their end of the weight and not just the internal space of the console itself. Nintendo was skeptical of the idea of using CD's after their plans with Sony fell through because of piracy. It followed them through to the GC era. If Sony hadn't succeeded in bringing multimedia into the gaming industry on a personal computer-like console, Microsoft would not have even thought about joining. 

-Before Sony, Sega marketed itself as the "cool" console while Nintendo was the console for kids. Sony didnt need to do all of that. Once they got ahold of the device people just percieved the industry as now being open to people of all ages. It was serious tech for its time no different than the 3DO.